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I am just peeved off that every time i fly i have to pay another TAX under the guise of an ansett levy! even though i worked for the red rat, i still respected and had a few friends in ansett, who have all moved on with their lives. even though they are still owed some money, they were still better off than most employees of companies that fold.
the ansett issue is over, and so should the tax!
the ansett issue is over, and so should the tax!
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Didn't I read somewhere that Ansett Airlines was a New Zealand owned company? Don't shoot if it wasn't, it is just my recollection.
If it did indeed have foreign owners, it seem strange that you Australian taxpayers should be so generous. We wouldn't do that here without a fight.
If it did indeed have foreign owners, it seem strange that you Australian taxpayers should be so generous. We wouldn't do that here without a fight.
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No, it hasn't been fixed Amos & that's partially my point. The Government shouldn't have felt the need to step in. Mis management caused the problem, full stop. A lax system where workers entitlements can go missing has caused as much heartache as the collapse itself.
Such a large collapse, in comparison to others, should highlight to one & all how precarious all of our livelihoods are. We should talk about HIH, OneTel etc, because these companies didn't get the support the Govt gave to AN staff. I think AN got so much support for two reasons, 1. 16000 voters, 2. Federal election at the time.
Saw the light Right you are. AN was 100% owned by ANZ. They paid 150million to the AN administrators to stop being sued and exempted themselves from further action (from the administrators). The NZ govt. stepped in and propped ANZ up to cover the effect of their mis management.
Such a large collapse, in comparison to others, should highlight to one & all how precarious all of our livelihoods are. We should talk about HIH, OneTel etc, because these companies didn't get the support the Govt gave to AN staff. I think AN got so much support for two reasons, 1. 16000 voters, 2. Federal election at the time.
Saw the light Right you are. AN was 100% owned by ANZ. They paid 150million to the AN administrators to stop being sued and exempted themselves from further action (from the administrators). The NZ govt. stepped in and propped ANZ up to cover the effect of their mis management.
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Not one cent of the ticket tax has gone to ansett employees.. the tax was raised and then LENT to the administrators to pay entitlements but has since been paid back to the Govt from ongoing sale of assets... so every cent raised from the "ANSETT TAX" now sits in govt coffers
Yes at the time of there demise Ansett was fully owned by Air New Zealand (from about the late 90s) But for well over 60 years before that it was a proud oz company which employed over 16000 Australians.
How do you create a small business??
Give a Kiwi a big business and wait.
Yes at the time of there demise Ansett was fully owned by Air New Zealand (from about the late 90s) But for well over 60 years before that it was a proud oz company which employed over 16000 Australians.
How do you create a small business??
Give a Kiwi a big business and wait.
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Must agree with faheel;they were a private overseas company,so why should we pick up the tab.
It is obscene to have to pay their redundancy payments,no one did that for me when I lost my job,so suffer in silence .
What really scares the S$#& out of me ,is to find out how many of these people topped themselves for something like losing a job.How would these people handled the stress of an emergency;it makes you wonder.
Get a life you whingers:
It is obscene to have to pay their redundancy payments,no one did that for me when I lost my job,so suffer in silence .
What really scares the S$#& out of me ,is to find out how many of these people topped themselves for something like losing a job.How would these people handled the stress of an emergency;it makes you wonder.
Get a life you whingers:
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Fugitive may I suggest that you take 5 mins to read the previous post on this subject before you go and crawl back under your rock. It is obviously a subject u know nothing about, so therefore you need help understanding what has happened.
1. Read Trolleywallys post
2. People didnt just loose a job, they lost there family, wife and house, some lost everything, whether it is a Ansett, Qantas or Virgin worker it shouldnt really matter. People react differently, I survived it all fine, maybe you did too, guess we where lucky, but not everyone is the same.
3. The Australian Government said it would collect the ticket tax "for the Ansett workers", they have done just that ,they did lend the administrators some money to give to us, but have been repaid, so there they havent given us any money, I agree that the ordinary Australian shouldnt have to pay the $10 ticket tax, but maybe the government can help you on that issue. The Australian public have been misled, that is you if you have actually paid any.....
4. Not everyone that has committed suicide worked in situations where they would have to deal with a emergency, suicide isnt just confined to aircrew.
If you need any further information please feel free to ask I am sure that there are many people to help you out with as much information as you need
1. Read Trolleywallys post
2. People didnt just loose a job, they lost there family, wife and house, some lost everything, whether it is a Ansett, Qantas or Virgin worker it shouldnt really matter. People react differently, I survived it all fine, maybe you did too, guess we where lucky, but not everyone is the same.
3. The Australian Government said it would collect the ticket tax "for the Ansett workers", they have done just that ,they did lend the administrators some money to give to us, but have been repaid, so there they havent given us any money, I agree that the ordinary Australian shouldnt have to pay the $10 ticket tax, but maybe the government can help you on that issue. The Australian public have been misled, that is you if you have actually paid any.....
4. Not everyone that has committed suicide worked in situations where they would have to deal with a emergency, suicide isnt just confined to aircrew.
If you need any further information please feel free to ask I am sure that there are many people to help you out with as much information as you need
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Thank you Trollywally and misstrolleydolly!
Being pprune, one would assume that we would have slightly more insight and knowledge into the Ansett Levy and how the government has misled the general public into believing that they have paid out worker entitlements. They have not, as has been explained.
Stop generalising about the Ansett workers . Some believe that they should raise the issue in public but the majority are not whingers and have not asked for anything.
And for those of you mightly pissed off , waiting for sheepish retractions and apologies...
Being pprune, one would assume that we would have slightly more insight and knowledge into the Ansett Levy and how the government has misled the general public into believing that they have paid out worker entitlements. They have not, as has been explained.
Stop generalising about the Ansett workers . Some believe that they should raise the issue in public but the majority are not whingers and have not asked for anything.
And for those of you mightly pissed off , waiting for sheepish retractions and apologies...
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It amuses me no end to see morons such as Fugitive(keep running, mate 
) et al pontificating on a subject that they know very little about.
Entitlements for Ansett employees were simply what was due unto us under the law .
I am aware of 2 Pilots who topped themselves in the aftermath of these events and in both cases, there were issues that involved financial difficulties in combination with family breakdown. 2 FAs that I know of also did themselves in. Another was a CSO in Sydney. In these last 3 cases, all had found difficulty in obtaining what they would have considered 'meaningful' employment.
For the younger punters out there in prooonland, people over 45 years old find it almost impossible to find work that offers parrallel responsibilities and renumeration to their previous position once they are retrenched. I spent time doing a menial sh!t job after AN and found that I was working with some very well qualified people who had been retrenched from other industries and were unable to obtain other work simply because they were considered 'old'. One guy had an MBA and another had been a Finance Manager at*******. What a sad waste of human resource and experience.
I think, however, that we should never forget that the Australian Govenment acted to prevent Singapore Airlines from injecting capital into Ansett by way of increasing its equity stake in Air NZ. By doing this Messrs. Howard, Wilton-Moore and Anderson(and others) effectively stole the bread from the mouths of the children in 16,000 families. This was done under the guise of micro-economic reform and to protect Qantas from those mean Singaporians. The fallout from this 'reform' has been an increase in ticket prices, decreasing levels of service and enhanced profits for the airlines. Our careers, livelihoods and familiy stability sacrificed on the alter of politics to the gods of big-business.
Just remember, next time you get retrenched(downsized, rightsized, Jeffed, DCMed or whatever) somebody will probably be getting a bonus. And quite likely, they will be bidding to buy your house that you can no longer afford to live in.
) et al pontificating on a subject that they know very little about.Entitlements for Ansett employees were simply what was due unto us under the law .
I am aware of 2 Pilots who topped themselves in the aftermath of these events and in both cases, there were issues that involved financial difficulties in combination with family breakdown. 2 FAs that I know of also did themselves in. Another was a CSO in Sydney. In these last 3 cases, all had found difficulty in obtaining what they would have considered 'meaningful' employment.
For the younger punters out there in prooonland, people over 45 years old find it almost impossible to find work that offers parrallel responsibilities and renumeration to their previous position once they are retrenched. I spent time doing a menial sh!t job after AN and found that I was working with some very well qualified people who had been retrenched from other industries and were unable to obtain other work simply because they were considered 'old'. One guy had an MBA and another had been a Finance Manager at*******. What a sad waste of human resource and experience.
I think, however, that we should never forget that the Australian Govenment acted to prevent Singapore Airlines from injecting capital into Ansett by way of increasing its equity stake in Air NZ. By doing this Messrs. Howard, Wilton-Moore and Anderson(and others) effectively stole the bread from the mouths of the children in 16,000 families. This was done under the guise of micro-economic reform and to protect Qantas from those mean Singaporians. The fallout from this 'reform' has been an increase in ticket prices, decreasing levels of service and enhanced profits for the airlines. Our careers, livelihoods and familiy stability sacrificed on the alter of politics to the gods of big-business.
Just remember, next time you get retrenched(downsized, rightsized, Jeffed, DCMed or whatever) somebody will probably be getting a bonus. And quite likely, they will be bidding to buy your house that you can no longer afford to live in.
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Well, what a load of nonsence from Bong, currently flying in Nam on about 7,000 dollars US a month, tax free???!!! (convert that yourself if you're interested). And also have a think about the exchange rate a couple of years ago when Bong was also in Nam!(Clue: Try 50c in the dollar!)
Anyway, forget Bong. The jury is well and truly in on this one!... The taxpayer should not have supported Ansett staff with the demise of that company!
So, hopefully, the aggrieved staff might have a rethink and quietly disappear into the woodwork, like the staff of so many companies before them who have lost as much, if not more!
After all, back in 89, the Government of the the day, led by the biggest disaster of a PM of all time (a man by the name of RJ Hawke, in case you might have forgotten) elected to inject $100M of taxpayers money into Ansett because of an industrial dispute! (Never been done before, will never be done again!)
This same disaster of a PM also gave Ansett the free use of the Australian Air Force to transport civilian passengers from A to B. (Let's not talk about the insurance issue and the fact that this will never be done again!)
And, of course, we could also talk about the overnight changes to the immigration rules that our erstwhile GG of the day agreed to, to allow illegal foreign workers to enter the country and take the jobs of Australians! Supported, I might add, by the majority of Ansett staff!!
So, after all this, they are still seeking assistance from the taxpayer? As I said at the beginning, the jury is well and truly in on this one!!!
QED!!
Anyway, forget Bong. The jury is well and truly in on this one!... The taxpayer should not have supported Ansett staff with the demise of that company!
So, hopefully, the aggrieved staff might have a rethink and quietly disappear into the woodwork, like the staff of so many companies before them who have lost as much, if not more!
After all, back in 89, the Government of the the day, led by the biggest disaster of a PM of all time (a man by the name of RJ Hawke, in case you might have forgotten) elected to inject $100M of taxpayers money into Ansett because of an industrial dispute! (Never been done before, will never be done again!)
This same disaster of a PM also gave Ansett the free use of the Australian Air Force to transport civilian passengers from A to B. (Let's not talk about the insurance issue and the fact that this will never be done again!)
And, of course, we could also talk about the overnight changes to the immigration rules that our erstwhile GG of the day agreed to, to allow illegal foreign workers to enter the country and take the jobs of Australians! Supported, I might add, by the majority of Ansett staff!!
So, after all this, they are still seeking assistance from the taxpayer? As I said at the beginning, the jury is well and truly in on this one!!!
QED!!
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I wondered why it was that amos2 bothered to raise the subject of AN staff entitlements, now all is become clear! No-one has mentioned the 89ers for some time and amos was becoming bored! Don't you think it might be time for you to take the advice you so often profferred to me, that I "have a Bex and a cup of tea and a good lie down"?
Buster has it right, you first! Just what does Ralph's current income have to do with his credibility in the matter? Are you so blinded by hatred of the time and the company that you are oblivious to any other argument? Your paranoia about the "scabs" and the other AN staff of the time is showing, amos, in your own words, "the jury is well and truly in on this one,"
GET OVER IT!
TheNightOwl.
Buster has it right, you first! Just what does Ralph's current income have to do with his credibility in the matter? Are you so blinded by hatred of the time and the company that you are oblivious to any other argument? Your paranoia about the "scabs" and the other AN staff of the time is showing, amos, in your own words, "the jury is well and truly in on this one,"
GET OVER IT!
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You know amos, I think you're right. Most guys I know from Ansett are doing very very well. They got some great experience from a great airline and now they are making a hugh amount elsewhere, and good on them, they deserve it. It may be true that some have not faired all that well but that would be the case anywhere. You must remember that most people made a hell of a lot of money from 89 until the demise, some pilots invested well and are enjoying a nice early retirement.
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it's the Royal Australian Air Force... get it right.
PS what is a bex?
PPS get over '89, Amos. There is a bigger disaster (Ansett) to lament nowadays.
PS what is a bex?
PPS get over '89, Amos. There is a bigger disaster (Ansett) to lament nowadays.
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jus becos it was anset why shuld it make youse think yore any more specil then other peeple who has bean retrashed?
anset was a big comperny wiv lotsa asetts so sum of youse shuld of got to work to make shore them asetts diden misteriusly disuppear.
how can the asutralien popuerlation be exspected to take cares of evry comperny that looses out?
anyways who ever trusted ables and murdock that they wuld do the rite thing?
get over it. if ya had a kid born then it d be reddy for skool now.
anset was a big comperny wiv lotsa asetts so sum of youse shuld of got to work to make shore them asetts diden misteriusly disuppear.
how can the asutralien popuerlation be exspected to take cares of evry comperny that looses out?
anyways who ever trusted ables and murdock that they wuld do the rite thing?
get over it. if ya had a kid born then it d be reddy for skool now.
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What Amos and his other perpertrators of hatred to Ansett dont seem to understand is that the Government LOANED. I will repeat LOANED for those that dont understand the money to the administrators to give the AN staff the BASIC redundancy payments which you are entitled to by law in Australia. This money has all been repayed to the government so get it straight please the government has given the AN employees nothing. nil. zilch.
Then again some visions on this thread are so clouded by hatred you will never understand facts, your sickness has affected your understanding of facts.
What a sad bunch living in hatred for the remainder of your life.
Then again some visions on this thread are so clouded by hatred you will never understand facts, your sickness has affected your understanding of facts.
What a sad bunch living in hatred for the remainder of your life.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
That's interesting, P.V. - was the loaned money that which was raised by the Ansett ticket levy, or was that levy used to repay the loan?
Reading back through the full Ansett history, the company appears to have received Government assistance on more than one occasion, to prevent it going under.
I don't see any evidence of "perpertrators of hatred to Ansett", and I do agree that Ansett staff should be entitled to what is rightfully theirs....however nothing more.
As with most things, the public have moved on since Ansett's collapse - which is not to say they have for the ex-Ansett staff though.
The ailments brought on by stress caused by traumatic events such as losing one's employment/spouse, etc, often don't surface for 3-5 years down the track, according to some medical info. I've read.
Reading back through the full Ansett history, the company appears to have received Government assistance on more than one occasion, to prevent it going under.
I don't see any evidence of "perpertrators of hatred to Ansett", and I do agree that Ansett staff should be entitled to what is rightfully theirs....however nothing more.
As with most things, the public have moved on since Ansett's collapse - which is not to say they have for the ex-Ansett staff though.
The ailments brought on by stress caused by traumatic events such as losing one's employment/spouse, etc, often don't surface for 3-5 years down the track, according to some medical info. I've read.