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Old 9th Oct 2004, 13:35
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Ok then....

Due to the actions of the moderator I will rephrase my comment.

Now that those wonderful, caring, giving, generous souls in the Liberal/National Coalition have rightfully and justly won the election, what will become of NAS, and its chief supporter Dick Smith (oh and while I am giving out compliments, how about 3 cheers for this magnificent Australian of the year, hip hip...). Will they, as they surely should do and have every right to do, declare to having a mandate on Aviation reform, and swiftly push forward with NAS, and finally make Australian Airspace safe again, so all us ignorant proffessionals can sleep soundly at night, knowing that Australian skies are in good hands for the next 3 years. Hip Hip Hooray for the best political parties in the world, those honest souls at the Liberal Party, and those enlightened people at the National Party!!!! Oh I am giddy with delight over the result.

Is that better Mr Woomera
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Thanks for the input guys, very constructive. But seriously, what do you think the result will mean to NAS etc. Will John Anderson and Co. kick on with renewed vigour, or have they seen the folly of their ways??
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Correct me if I'm ANSA, but dont you live in knotteatingham.

Why would you give a rats who got elected. And if you do care so much, go back and cast a vote.

Or should I say go back and pay some tax and cast a vote.
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Hey I went down to my Embassy in Abu Dhabi, UAE and cast my vote thanks very much. I am living in a country where I am not paying tax. I am also not in Australia, driving on the roads, using the hospitals and schools (while they still exist), or using any of the welfare on offer, so why would I have to pay taxes. I care because in a few years when I have had enough of working overseas, I will go back to Australia, where I will again use the services and as such pay the taxes, as I will also pay tax on income earned from the savings I have taken back with me from here. So Oz does ok out of us expats in the long run. Bottom line I have a right to vote, and so I do, thanks.
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I am living in a country where I am not paying tax.
What about sales tax, booze tax, service tax (in restaurants, etc), import duties, should you import something, and more importantly... LIFESTYLE tax???

Still, good on you for bothering to vote, even if it was in vain.

NAS aside, I wonder what adventures lay ahead for the tooled-up ADF (ie Tigers, NH90s, Abrams, etc) with LJ in power for another few years and no sign of any cracks in the alliance with the US. Taiwan, Korea, Iran, Syria?

Back to Afghanistan I reckon... Any bets?
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You're right, Itchy, I do pay tax over here, just not tax to Australia, and not income tax here. Guys on here might think it is a wank, but one big reason I left was because I was morally disgusted with many of the things the government was doing with tax payer dollars, eg. detention centres on pacific islands, going against the UN to invade Iraq etc.

But back to the aviation politics, before Woomera starts deleting again, what do people think John Anderson will do now, now that he thinks all the decisions and policies from the last couple of years have been vindicated by this election result. That is the question that can be answered on this forum. Also with the Senate looking like it will be Coalition controlled who now is going to keep the bastards honest???
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now that he thinks all the decisions and policies from the last couple of years have been vindicated by this election result.
He doesn't really think that, he will just pretend to believe that. He knows the issues they really won the election on.

How long have you been in Abo Dhabi, ANSA? Weren't the Pacific detention situations more a recent event?
with the Senate looking like it will be Coalition controlled who now is going to keep the bastards honest???
Dont' worry, you can trust the government...

As for JA, I have no idea what Mr. **** **** will do about NAS. Just be glad DS didn't run and end up voted into a seat over some Labor loser.

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Nas and Radar

Back to the original topic.
NAS will be lots of fun to implement.
With Option 3 in legal proceedings, Dick continuing his association with the Government, and the directive before the election to introduce radar towers.....
How is this not going to go smoothly
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John Anderson acting upon information from Dick, is the equivalent of Bush and Honest John sending troops to invade Iraq, based on information that Saddam had WMD's!
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 07:49
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No aviation policy Anderson

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Perhaps one of those 'policy' advisers in the Transport (read roads) department could accidently slip the Labor transport policy upstairs! Disguised as actual real policy advice. Perhaps CASA could display some balls. Dream on Bizpax! Oh well, the battle goes on for passenger safety, commonsense and what was once the leading aviation nation in the world. One day the megalomaniac will pay for this. Same old, same old...
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Ease up on ANSA. Airservices have disgusted enough employees for them to look elsewhere for work. Unfortunately with the monopoly, if you don't like it, overseas is the only other option. People are leaving.

Itchybum, the reason I heard Dick has Anderson by the jatz crackers is that Dick suggested awhile back that he would run as an independant and take a marginal Lib seat down. Apparant compromise... NAS.
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Yeah I reckon........
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ANSA - Hope your not posting whilst on duty....



PS I am on leave...
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I thought you two were one and the same........????









Actually I hope the same thing..... as 2 dots silently converge...
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 23:30
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Here it is again - pages 15 - 18 refer to Aviation. More NAS is apparent.

http://www.liberal.org.au/2004_policy/ACF4E36.pdf
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Never would post on duty, so nothing to worry about there. AirServices must still be up to their same old tricks with another few guys on there way here shortly. I wonder when the shortage of staff and the real cost of losing controllers overseas will make the penny drop??? Save a few dollars at the Certified Agreement negotiations, and destroy the morale of the controllers to the point they leave for overseas, or maintain conditions as they are, and retain staff. I guess they have done their figures and know what they are doing????

Oh and itchybum, I work in the Middle East, so it would be more like 20 dots silently converging.
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ANSA what is your beef with ASA.

Exemployee who didn't know really how good you had it?

And if you aren't or not even a pilot, what does any of it matter to you. The travelling public are just as safe at the end of the day no matter what bastardisation of the airspace takes place.
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Exemployee who didn't know really how good you had it?

And if you aren't or not even a pilot, what does any of it matter to you. The travelling public are just as safe at the end of the day no matter what bastardisation of the airspace takes place.
There are three things seriously wrong with this post.

1. I'd say he knew just how good he had it, thats probably why he left. Looks a like a comment from either an outsider with NFI or a HR tool with his/her own agenda

2. Perhaps he's worried that if he ever wants to come back home and work he's gonna need to take out personal liablity insurance to save his arse financially in case he gets hauled over the coals when the **** hits the fan after two pilots, who unfortunately happen to be on his frequency at the time, decide todays a bad day for looking out the window and thanks to NAS the plow into each other. Sounds dramatic? Tell me it can't happen.

3. your nick
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