Emirates Approach into YMML
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Hi Tagneah
We always get issued the Leaky 1 STAR initially, but if we want they seem happy to amend it to the CG8 (ie visual) STAR.
As far as night visual approach requirements go, if we had to maintain 2100' till the circling area it would make things a bit interesting (although bear in mind it's via a base leg rather than straight in, so you actually get more than 5.28 track miles from entering the circling area to the threshold. I can't remember exactly how many track miles it works out at - lately BN seems to be on 01 every time I go there!).
You're correct about the distinction between being vectored versus descending to LSALT/MSA. The practical interpretation is that even though we're following a STAR track rather than a radar heading, effectively we're under vectors as far as altitude is concerned and are therefore OK to descend to the MVA of 1500'.
If you were unhappy with that interpretation (and I've never met anyone who was), I suppose you could always get Approach to give you a radar track of 275 from Koupa to within the circling area, instead of following the STAR track of 275 ... which would achieve exactly the same thing but would probably make ATC think you were a bit of a prat!
We always get issued the Leaky 1 STAR initially, but if we want they seem happy to amend it to the CG8 (ie visual) STAR.
As far as night visual approach requirements go, if we had to maintain 2100' till the circling area it would make things a bit interesting (although bear in mind it's via a base leg rather than straight in, so you actually get more than 5.28 track miles from entering the circling area to the threshold. I can't remember exactly how many track miles it works out at - lately BN seems to be on 01 every time I go there!).
You're correct about the distinction between being vectored versus descending to LSALT/MSA. The practical interpretation is that even though we're following a STAR track rather than a radar heading, effectively we're under vectors as far as altitude is concerned and are therefore OK to descend to the MVA of 1500'.
If you were unhappy with that interpretation (and I've never met anyone who was), I suppose you could always get Approach to give you a radar track of 275 from Koupa to within the circling area, instead of following the STAR track of 275 ... which would achieve exactly the same thing but would probably make ATC think you were a bit of a prat!
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I suppose you could always get Approach to give you a radar track of 275 from Koupa to within the circling area, instead of following the STAR track of 275 ... which would achieve exactly the same thing but would probably make ATC think you were a bit of a prat!
Not trying to split the atom here just trying to find the reason why its no longer offered at night.
I will say it is great to have some usefull comments on here instead of the usual!
Safe landings Hank!
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In reply to CLEAR PROP's original question, it is indeed as some others have mentioned, i.e. Heavy aircraft from foreign operators are issued an instrument approach unless they specifically request a visual.
AIP refers:
ENR (2 SEP 04)
11.5.2 In addition to the requirements of para 11.5.1, with the exception of
Australian and New Zealand operators and aircraft conducting independent visual approaches at Sydney, HEAVY jet aircraft will
only be assigned a visual approach when:
a. specifically requested by the pilot, and the pilot has reported
the landing runway in sight; or
b. the straight-in approach aid is unserviceable.
AIP refers:
ENR (2 SEP 04)
11.5.2 In addition to the requirements of para 11.5.1, with the exception of
Australian and New Zealand operators and aircraft conducting independent visual approaches at Sydney, HEAVY jet aircraft will
only be assigned a visual approach when:
a. specifically requested by the pilot, and the pilot has reported
the landing runway in sight; or
b. the straight-in approach aid is unserviceable.
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Wasn't too long ago you'd issue the visual star and the DLH guys would help themselves to an instrument star regardless! Simple answer, isuue them an intstrument star straight up, lol. Beside the company policy, I also believe the restriction on descent overhead EN and the split a$$ turn onto final may not be popular with some pilots (I could be wrong on that one).
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