Jetstar Asia Basing
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Jetstar Asia Basing
Living conditions in Singapore are amongst the best in Asia with state-of-the art facilities for education, shopping, sports and recreation. The inflation rate is also comparatively lower than most other countries.
Mercer's Cost of Living Survey 2003 listed Tokyo, Moscow, Osaka, Hong Kong and Beijing as the most expensive cities. Singapore was placed 32nd.
The survey measures the comparative cost of more than 200 items in each location, including housing, food, clothing and household goods, transport and entertainment.
The benchmark of 100 points is set by New York City, which is in 10th place. The index does not reflect the cost of living for locals.
Here is general guide for a single First Officer;
Housing 2000
Tax 883
Training Repayment 1100
Food and Entertainment 1500
Power, water, gas 250
Communications 250
Cable and Internet 120
Transport 200
Medical 150
Total $6,453 SGD
Based on the rumoured $75,000SGD that Jetstar is going to pay think carefully about accepting this.
$75000/12 = 6250 a shortfall of approx $200 every month !!
Not sure if the training repayment will apply
Mercer's Cost of Living Survey 2003 listed Tokyo, Moscow, Osaka, Hong Kong and Beijing as the most expensive cities. Singapore was placed 32nd.
The survey measures the comparative cost of more than 200 items in each location, including housing, food, clothing and household goods, transport and entertainment.
The benchmark of 100 points is set by New York City, which is in 10th place. The index does not reflect the cost of living for locals.
Here is general guide for a single First Officer;
Housing 2000
Tax 883
Training Repayment 1100
Food and Entertainment 1500
Power, water, gas 250
Communications 250
Cable and Internet 120
Transport 200
Medical 150
Total $6,453 SGD
Based on the rumoured $75,000SGD that Jetstar is going to pay think carefully about accepting this.
$75000/12 = 6250 a shortfall of approx $200 every month !!
Not sure if the training repayment will apply
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Food and entertainment at $1500 a month? Depends on what you eat!
Go down to hawkers and food centres, and get a BEUTIFUL Laksa or somesuch, and a Coke, and spend $2. Do the same at dinner - $2...
So, living expense for the day? $4. Expensive eh!
If you want to live the Western lifestyle in Aisa, yep, it's expensive, especially alcohol. If you are content on the asian diet, which most are, it's CHEAP!
Only people I have ever heard really complain are SO's, and they usually either share an HDB with other crew, or live at home.
Life is how you make it.
Go down to hawkers and food centres, and get a BEUTIFUL Laksa or somesuch, and a Coke, and spend $2. Do the same at dinner - $2...
So, living expense for the day? $4. Expensive eh!
If you want to live the Western lifestyle in Aisa, yep, it's expensive, especially alcohol. If you are content on the asian diet, which most are, it's CHEAP!
Only people I have ever heard really complain are SO's, and they usually either share an HDB with other crew, or live at home.
Life is how you make it.
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Bill,
The salary paid to Jetstar looks similar to the salary I was paid when working in SIN.
I suggest you review your living expense summary as it is nowhere near as high as you propose. Your tax numbers for example are way off.
The salary paid to Jetstar looks similar to the salary I was paid when working in SIN.
I suggest you review your living expense summary as it is nowhere near as high as you propose. Your tax numbers for example are way off.
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Some basic research finds the following prices. Quite different from those quoted.
LW
For a family of 4, here are some rough estimates of the major expenses you are likely to incur on a per month basis while living in Singapore. The costs given here are on the high side and you can probably save quite a bit if you're thrifty:
Housing
Average monthly rent of a condo apartment in the city: $4000
for an apartment of size 1600 sqft (3+1 bedrooms)
Average rent of an apartment in the outskirts: $2500 for size 1500 -
1800 sqft (3+1).
Note: The cost of housing of course depends not just on location but on how old the apartment is, the facilities available (eg pool, gym) and the quality of the furnishing that comes with the apartment.
Transport
For one month for daily taxi fare to and fro office: $400
Note: If you take the MRT, it should cost you no more than $60-$70 a month
Education
School fees for international school for one month for one student: $600-800
Food
Food for family of 4: $800 a month (eat in + groceries)
Utilities
Water, electricity, gas etc: $250-$280 a month (if you leave the airconditioning running)
Entertainment
Going out, eating out: $500 - $800 a month
Note: If you eat at a food court or hawker centre, you'll spend no more than $25 each meal for a family of 4.
Others
Magazines, newspapers, cable TV, internet, books, phone charges - $400 a
month
Luxuries
Car: anything from $90,000 and above for a brand new Japanese or European family car
Club membership - $1500 to $4000 per year for annual non-transferable
membership
Basics
A can of coke: $1.00
Big Mac: $3.00
Cigarettes (20): $5.80
Bottle of wine: At least $60 for something decent, more if you order one at a restaurant
Loaf of bread: $1.50
Starbucks drink: $4.00
Pint of Haagen Daz ice cream: $10.30
Movie ticket: $7
One hour at an internet cafe: $6
Miscellaneous
Mobile phone: $400 + about $30 a month for subscription
Home computer: $1500
Laptop: $3500
DVD player: $700
Music CD: $20
HiFi set: $350
TV set: $800
Not covered here
Insurance and medical expenses, as these depend on your company policy and insurance coverage.
LW
For a family of 4, here are some rough estimates of the major expenses you are likely to incur on a per month basis while living in Singapore. The costs given here are on the high side and you can probably save quite a bit if you're thrifty:
Housing
Average monthly rent of a condo apartment in the city: $4000
for an apartment of size 1600 sqft (3+1 bedrooms)
Average rent of an apartment in the outskirts: $2500 for size 1500 -
1800 sqft (3+1).
Note: The cost of housing of course depends not just on location but on how old the apartment is, the facilities available (eg pool, gym) and the quality of the furnishing that comes with the apartment.
Transport
For one month for daily taxi fare to and fro office: $400
Note: If you take the MRT, it should cost you no more than $60-$70 a month
Education
School fees for international school for one month for one student: $600-800
Food
Food for family of 4: $800 a month (eat in + groceries)
Utilities
Water, electricity, gas etc: $250-$280 a month (if you leave the airconditioning running)
Entertainment
Going out, eating out: $500 - $800 a month
Note: If you eat at a food court or hawker centre, you'll spend no more than $25 each meal for a family of 4.
Others
Magazines, newspapers, cable TV, internet, books, phone charges - $400 a
month
Luxuries
Car: anything from $90,000 and above for a brand new Japanese or European family car
Club membership - $1500 to $4000 per year for annual non-transferable
membership
Basics
A can of coke: $1.00
Big Mac: $3.00
Cigarettes (20): $5.80
Bottle of wine: At least $60 for something decent, more if you order one at a restaurant
Loaf of bread: $1.50
Starbucks drink: $4.00
Pint of Haagen Daz ice cream: $10.30
Movie ticket: $7
One hour at an internet cafe: $6
Miscellaneous
Mobile phone: $400 + about $30 a month for subscription
Home computer: $1500
Laptop: $3500
DVD player: $700
Music CD: $20
HiFi set: $350
TV set: $800
Not covered here
Insurance and medical expenses, as these depend on your company policy and insurance coverage.
While the package is similar to the other Singapore operators, Jetstar will no doubt suffer similar turnover to the other operators. Having not even begun operations, they are viewed as a stepping stone to other operators in the region. Perhaps best not to sign a long term lease!
Having lived in Asia as an expat for almost 20 years, I say best of luck to any potential expat who thinks he can survive on $75,000 Sing Dollars a year in Singapore.
Listening Watch's figures are a lot more accurate than the two-dollar meals post which might be a little wide of the mark (edited for diplomacy and respect).
But, of course, that is only my opinion.
As Karunch said, don't sign any long term contracts (employment or accommodation) to give yourself an escape path. Good luck...
Listening Watch's figures are a lot more accurate than the two-dollar meals post which might be a little wide of the mark (edited for diplomacy and respect).
But, of course, that is only my opinion.
As Karunch said, don't sign any long term contracts (employment or accommodation) to give yourself an escape path. Good luck...
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Yeah you save a lot on living expenses by eating down at the food courts, unless what you refer to as "living" expenses includes the cost of having your stomach pumped once a week from eating a salmanella-riddled satay cat's tail.
Anyone know how much SGD you can get a stomach-pump for? Pay for 10 up front and they'll probably throw another in for free.
You won't be doing much drinking on that salary in the City of An@l Retentivity.
You could always observe the FA's technique of starving until your next flight then gourging non-stop from gear up til down.
Learn to get your head right down into the bowl and SLURP loudly and you'll fit right in......... 
Anyone know how much SGD you can get a stomach-pump for? Pay for 10 up front and they'll probably throw another in for free.
You won't be doing much drinking on that salary in the City of An@l Retentivity.
You could always observe the FA's technique of starving until your next flight then gourging non-stop from gear up til down.
Learn to get your head right down into the bowl and SLURP loudly and you'll fit right in.........
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Deceitful? I don't think it deceitful mentioning that it is possible!
Most I ever paid for one dish in Singapore was $7 for fish head claypot. That's a BIG meal, designed for 2 or more (yeah, I ate the eyeballs!).
You can live VERY cheaply food wise in Singapore if you want to. Buy Western, and pay through the nose!
And not expat either - local terms (what a fool eh? Still living comfortably)
Most I ever paid for one dish in Singapore was $7 for fish head claypot. That's a BIG meal, designed for 2 or more (yeah, I ate the eyeballs!).
You can live VERY cheaply food wise in Singapore if you want to. Buy Western, and pay through the nose!
And not expat either - local terms (what a fool eh? Still living comfortably)
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My intention was not to cause a stink. The figures quoted came straight from what Tiger Airways is sending to applicants.
My intention was to create informed response, which it has.
The original post came from Tiger Airways documentation which, after a little searching, I found where it has come from.
http://www.contactsingapore.org.sg/l...stLiving.shtml
My intention was to create informed response, which it has.
The original post came from Tiger Airways documentation which, after a little searching, I found where it has come from.
http://www.contactsingapore.org.sg/l...stLiving.shtml
RTA,
Sounds as if you have done the hard yards. I hope you finally got to where you wanted to be in the first place.
I can think I can agree on $7 per course, but fishheads indicate you have a cast iron stomach or drink too much! Starvation can do strange things to a man?
I think for such a meal a few sticks of satay and a cool tiger would be recommended for the more squeamish of us who had the good fortune to enjoy expat terms in Asia.
Let those who follow benefit from your knowledge and experience rather than having to relive the misery!
Sounds as if you have done the hard yards. I hope you finally got to where you wanted to be in the first place.
I can think I can agree on $7 per course, but fishheads indicate you have a cast iron stomach or drink too much! Starvation can do strange things to a man?
I think for such a meal a few sticks of satay and a cool tiger would be recommended for the more squeamish of us who had the good fortune to enjoy expat terms in Asia.
Let those who follow benefit from your knowledge and experience rather than having to relive the misery!
Grandpa Aerotart
Having lived in Singapore recently for a couple of years...on a VERY good expat package, I'll just modify listening watch's figure a little.
90K for a new Jap/EU car? I think not...unless it's a very basic, small, very gutless Hyundai....something that might cost 12K in Oz...does that include the 25k 10yr 'rego'..what do they call it?
Long term car rental = $1000/mth...much better idea.
Housing. Yup 2400/mth will get you a VERY nice condo out of town with all the amenities...mine was at Seasons Park at Yio Chu Kang and had 3+1 bedrooms/amah room/huge verandah overlooking Seletar Resevoir (12th floor)/huge kitchen/big living+dining room/split systems in every room baring kitchen. Complex had huge main pool + smaller pools for kids, Gym, 3 shade cloth covered tennis courts, pool room, bbq area, kids swings...10 minutes walk from MRT..5 minutes in the bus...10 minutes from my office/hangar at WSSL on my motor bike.
School fees at Australian International School = 20k/annum ++
Have no real argument for the other stuff...seems ball park, some a little low-some a little high.
With the exception of cars and schools it's probably not a LOT more expensive than Sydney in general terms.
Our F/Os were on Sin$90k (net/local package) and seemed to live reasonably well....spent more time in nightclubs and discos than I did as a 20 something
90K for a new Jap/EU car? I think not...unless it's a very basic, small, very gutless Hyundai....something that might cost 12K in Oz...does that include the 25k 10yr 'rego'..what do they call it?
Long term car rental = $1000/mth...much better idea.
Housing. Yup 2400/mth will get you a VERY nice condo out of town with all the amenities...mine was at Seasons Park at Yio Chu Kang and had 3+1 bedrooms/amah room/huge verandah overlooking Seletar Resevoir (12th floor)/huge kitchen/big living+dining room/split systems in every room baring kitchen. Complex had huge main pool + smaller pools for kids, Gym, 3 shade cloth covered tennis courts, pool room, bbq area, kids swings...10 minutes walk from MRT..5 minutes in the bus...10 minutes from my office/hangar at WSSL on my motor bike.
School fees at Australian International School = 20k/annum ++
Have no real argument for the other stuff...seems ball park, some a little low-some a little high.
With the exception of cars and schools it's probably not a LOT more expensive than Sydney in general terms.
Our F/Os were on Sin$90k (net/local package) and seemed to live reasonably well....spent more time in nightclubs and discos than I did as a 20 something
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I have spent the last six years in singapore on on contract as a licensed aircraft engineer...here is my two cents worth. Finished off in Feb 04. Now back in Syd.
presently rents at Bayshore park about $2000/month-3 bedroom 1250sqft
Transport approx $500/mth using basically taxis and only 7mins away from work
Beer can be expensive so budget about $500 to maintain same lifestyle as in Oz
Utilities about $250/month
Cable n broadband internet about $80/month
Mobile phone about $250/month
Groceries about $400/month..similar to Woolies...Cold Storage
Schooling for kids at Australian school or Eaton..similar to Australian based schools..approx 1200/month per child...info from my other friends there.
In my opinion you should not have to give up your lifestyle you had in Australia. Try to achieve it with the package you get and if it is similar and a little more...it is good. Singapore is a great place to start of your adventure overseas but you must also understand that it is not your trainset. As in anywhere you will meet nice and bad people and all I can say make the most of it!
Good luck to you gus out there...also experience like working there in Singapore will not be found in sheltered Oz. Be cool and just be nice will get you far!
presently rents at Bayshore park about $2000/month-3 bedroom 1250sqft
Transport approx $500/mth using basically taxis and only 7mins away from work
Beer can be expensive so budget about $500 to maintain same lifestyle as in Oz
Utilities about $250/month
Cable n broadband internet about $80/month
Mobile phone about $250/month
Groceries about $400/month..similar to Woolies...Cold Storage
Schooling for kids at Australian school or Eaton..similar to Australian based schools..approx 1200/month per child...info from my other friends there.
In my opinion you should not have to give up your lifestyle you had in Australia. Try to achieve it with the package you get and if it is similar and a little more...it is good. Singapore is a great place to start of your adventure overseas but you must also understand that it is not your trainset. As in anywhere you will meet nice and bad people and all I can say make the most of it!
Good luck to you gus out there...also experience like working there in Singapore will not be found in sheltered Oz. Be cool and just be nice will get you far!
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It should be pointed out that $75,000 Sin is only the FO base salary.
If the hours are flown that are predicted the package is closer to $120,000 Sin. Whilst still not great it is more than I was earning on the dole 18 months ago.
You can understand why many current SO's at Qantas are tempted by the direct entry commands or quick commands on offer and it would be lovely to fly the bus again. Still I would miss my mid flight siestas on the 400.
If the hours are flown that are predicted the package is closer to $120,000 Sin. Whilst still not great it is more than I was earning on the dole 18 months ago.
You can understand why many current SO's at Qantas are tempted by the direct entry commands or quick commands on offer and it would be lovely to fly the bus again. Still I would miss my mid flight siestas on the 400.
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the ad is on the monster.com.sg website.
Just do a search.
Having said that all F/O's are cadets previously seconded to Air North ect and Capts are ex-Ansett...........bottom line is forget it
Just do a search.
Having said that all F/O's are cadets previously seconded to Air North ect and Capts are ex-Ansett...........bottom line is forget it
A nice adavantage of being an expat is cheap money. Interest rates well under 2% from Asian and even Australian lenders.
Sadly, 75K Sing may not qualify you for re-financing of your Australian mortgage. The wage is considered too low.
On a bright note, you may be eligible for housing commission assistance from the Singapore government- or that is what Silkair told me once upon a time.
I thought the ex-Ansett guys who went to QF were preserving their Australian lifestyle on the most part. Why the big change now? Why give up the lifestyle for the worst paying jobs in Asia?
Taking your family overseas is a big, brave move. I suppose a QF seniority number allays any insecurities.
Sadly, 75K Sing may not qualify you for re-financing of your Australian mortgage. The wage is considered too low.
On a bright note, you may be eligible for housing commission assistance from the Singapore government- or that is what Silkair told me once upon a time.
I thought the ex-Ansett guys who went to QF were preserving their Australian lifestyle on the most part. Why the big change now? Why give up the lifestyle for the worst paying jobs in Asia?
Taking your family overseas is a big, brave move. I suppose a QF seniority number allays any insecurities.
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Having said that all F/O's are cadets previously seconded to Air North ect and Capts are ex-Ansett...........bottom line is forget it
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Quick commands with less take home pay than a second officer ?.
It all comes down to techniques companies use to concrete permanent reductions in salaries. If they can train up captains to fly for peanuts they can transfer them back to Australia when they have had enough of the cats tails in 10 years or so.
It all comes down to techniques companies use to concrete permanent reductions in salaries. If they can train up captains to fly for peanuts they can transfer them back to Australia when they have had enough of the cats tails in 10 years or so.
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Quick commands for more pay than a Second Officer once promoted is the idea, I think.
If some have a parachute of sorts , good luck to them. Don't we all wish we had one.I don't so,better look a bit further ahead before I leap.
Don't know what an F/O should be paid but I find the capatin salary not far shy of SIA pay and better than what I am getting now.
Current job has more benefits as it is a major but, getting them can be a problem.
Can't beat Singapore lifestyle if it is your first time in Asia and it will be like an upgrade to Business Class from Economy compared to all other places in the region.
May cost more or may not but, what's money for anyway?
Still don't know where all the passengers are going to be coming from for all of these start ups.
If some have a parachute of sorts , good luck to them. Don't we all wish we had one.I don't so,better look a bit further ahead before I leap.
Don't know what an F/O should be paid but I find the capatin salary not far shy of SIA pay and better than what I am getting now.
Current job has more benefits as it is a major but, getting them can be a problem.
Can't beat Singapore lifestyle if it is your first time in Asia and it will be like an upgrade to Business Class from Economy compared to all other places in the region.
May cost more or may not but, what's money for anyway?
Still don't know where all the passengers are going to be coming from for all of these start ups.
