The Yarmy Gets New Helicopters to Bolster Defence (and Wirraway's Over the Hill.....)
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Ausdoc, that's my whole point. Three Kingairs and two Twotters (which I understand they don't even own) does not constitute an adequate or sensible fixed wing capability, or a replacement for the Porters. In reality, the helos have taken over.
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I'm still curious why anything with rotary wings on it has to be Navy or Army. Army troop lift eh. I suppose we should hand over the Caribou's and Herc's to them as well. The army will have more aircraft than the RAAF with in a few decades.
I may stand corrected here. I think the army already own the Hercs and Caribou (at least in a budget sence).
As for ArmyAv, If the pilots could actualy fly the things like they were meant to, maybe things would be different.
As for ArmyAv, If the pilots could actualy fly the things like they were meant to, maybe things would be different.
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Maybe the army feel that if they had the tactical fixed-wing transports (which spend a fair amount of time transporting or inserting army personnel) they might actually get to experience the novelty to have:
1. the Herc actually turn up to fly the grunts around and
2. the pilots not "run out of duty hours" just about beer o'clock.
What does the RAAF need heloes for? The mud-moving Hornets should be next so the army can make sure the Mk82s land exactly where they are meant to and on time.
1. the Herc actually turn up to fly the grunts around and
2. the pilots not "run out of duty hours" just about beer o'clock.
What does the RAAF need heloes for? The mud-moving Hornets should be next so the army can make sure the Mk82s land exactly where they are meant to and on time.
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OK then..........
So why does a small defence force like ours have three air arms?
Why not transfer all Army and Navy aviation assets to the RAAF?
To any pollies out there - think of the money it'll save!
So why does a small defence force like ours have three air arms?
Why not transfer all Army and Navy aviation assets to the RAAF?
To any pollies out there - think of the money it'll save!
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You're surely not going to start throwing mud at the RAAF for servicability. You're joking right. Let's compare servicability rates for blackhawks vs Hercs.
Captain Sand Dune is right. It's an expensive way of doing business. You have an entire service structured around operating aircraft, yet the other two services insist on also operating aircraft. While the RAAF controls a lot of the higher issues, it's still expensive to duplicate support functions for aircraft.
As for what does the RAAF need Helo's for -- I'm interested, what do you think the role of the RAAF is. It's simple, Air Power -- and choppers fit into Air Power.
Captain Sand Dune is right. It's an expensive way of doing business. You have an entire service structured around operating aircraft, yet the other two services insist on also operating aircraft. While the RAAF controls a lot of the higher issues, it's still expensive to duplicate support functions for aircraft.
As for what does the RAAF need Helo's for -- I'm interested, what do you think the role of the RAAF is. It's simple, Air Power -- and choppers fit into Air Power.
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Captain Sand Dune: good point however there are many reasons why each force operate there own aircraft. Take for example a Seahawk pilot. Although he/she flies the machine, he/she is primarily firstly a Naval Officer. Generally has completed not only their aviation training, but some seamanship training (in many instances have a Bridge Watch Keeping Certificate), Naval Officer training, all the requirements to go to sea (eg NBCD, Helo and ship escape training etc). It takes a long time to get someone to the point where they are trained to fly off an FFG or an Anzac and be truely part of the team!! Its more than just talking the talk and walking the walk!! The Air Department is just one department on a ship with each relying on the other!!
I remember once chatting to the Captain of HMAS Onslow (now retired submarine) and it was in his opinion that it was harder to avoid detection by a RAN Tracker than a RAAF P3B because the Tracker Crew were taught to think like submariners.
I remember once chatting to the Captain of HMAS Onslow (now retired submarine) and it was in his opinion that it was harder to avoid detection by a RAN Tracker than a RAAF P3B because the Tracker Crew were taught to think like submariners.
