Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
Reload this Page >

Spectacular landing shot of Dash 8

Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

Spectacular landing shot of Dash 8

Old 25th Aug 2004, 11:05
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Townsville,Nth Queensland
Posts: 2,717
Spectacular landing shot of Dash 8

Spectacular landing shot of a Qantaslink DHC-8-Q300 landing in BNE
by Will Mallinson 2 weeks ago:

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=247998

Last edited by Wirraway; 27th Aug 2004 at 07:00.
Wirraway is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2004, 11:23
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 139
That's a really nice photo. Can't take those shots all the time! Was it a landing with crosswind or another problem?
Capt. J is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2004, 11:57
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Permanently lost
Posts: 1,784
Capt.J

Have a look at the flag on the silo in the background. Suggest that there was a fairly strong cross-wind on the day.
PLovett is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2004, 12:20
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Australia
Posts: 261
Spectacular TAKEOFF shot of a Dash 8

Thought I'd throw in a takeoff for good measure.

Dash 8 Takeoff at Sydney

Surprised that we haven't seen both of these shots in the newspaper - right beside the stories titled 'The flight from hell' or'Passengers fear for lives', full of comments like 'I thought I was going to die' and 'I looked out and the wing had fallen off' and 'The engines just stopped'.

You know what the media are like!

Soulman.
Soulman is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2004, 13:31
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 164
I was THERE the day he took that! I was standing on the bonnet of my car doing the same! I'll dig mine out if I can find them!

A Qantas A330 came in as well, and performed the most sordidly horrible landing I have EVER witnessed as a spectator. At least between 5 and 10 degrees oscillation in pitch, and quite some in yaw as well. No one else seemed to have even the remotest difficulty, including several DJ 737's, and 4 QanDom 737's.

I don't often take photos at YBBN, but I had been meaning to take some shots of the Shorts Belfast, 727-100, and AN-12 for some time.
Romeo Tango Alpha is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2004, 13:43
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: L'Alpe D'Huez
Posts: 91
Dash Crash

Arrrrrgh!!

Reminds me of my last Sim check
m-dot is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2004, 15:04
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Seat 0A
Posts: 8,017
Yeh, give 'em jets: they'll be able to handle them...NOT!

PS: what's the diff between a Q 300 and a normal 300??!!
Capn Bloggs is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2004, 15:40
  #8 (permalink)  

Grandpa Aerotart
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: SWP
Posts: 4,620
Umm who's to say, Capt Bloggs, that the first picture is not a perfectly flown crosswind landing in what was obviously a very stiff crosswind?

Look at the flag top left!

Who's to say the second picture is anything other than an example of going around too soon when a normal landing could have been made from a very late landing clearance...they do happen you know!!
Chimbu chuckles is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2004, 18:44
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Far East of Mexico
Posts: 90
Capn Bloggs,

Not sure about the "Q".
Think it signifies Quiet - as in active noise suppression. Microphones and speakers placed around the cabin. An anti sine wave is generated to reduce noise. Flown a -200 with it. Was pretty effective according to those in the back.
ennui is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2004, 22:54
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 43
I'm not familiar with the span of the Dash's tailplane, but the Sydney photo looks a little odd without being able to see it.
bombshell is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2004, 23:12
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀
Posts: 1,960
"heard" an interesting story a few years ago in Melbourne regarding a Dash 8 hitting the high speed ramp with its nosewheel still in the air. Comment from the SMC "nice landing".

Hempy is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2004, 00:35
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Canberra Australia
Posts: 1,300
Looks like a greaser on the right main and a heavy coming down on the left.

Any pax reports?
Milt is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2004, 01:14
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Living next door to Alan
Posts: 1,522
I can't see anything wrong with the landing photo...Quite a normal technique in a strong crosswind.

Milt, there's no reason why the left main would not be flown on smoothly as the ailerons are quite effective down to low speeds. Not to mention the rudder...

Yeh, give 'em jets: they'll be able to handle them...NOT!
Well said Capt bloggs. I'd have expected no less of you. Us lowly regional pilots know our place in the QF scheme of things

That's why more reputable airlines around the world are targeting us to fly those jets that we allegedly are unable to handle Ring your HR people and ask them how many have left the subsidiaries in the last couple of years.
Hugh Jarse is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2004, 01:33
  #14 (permalink)  
Sprucegoose
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Hughes Point, where life is great! Was also resident on page 13, but now I'm lost in Cyberspace....
Age: 56
Posts: 3,488
Looks like perfect crosswind technique to me!

Have often seen dashes landing in 35kts crosswind on 09 in Melbourme, whilst the "real men" in their big shiny jets are accepting 20 mins holding!!

Better make that 18 mins now, you just got moved up one in the sequence thanks to the guys in the TURBOPROP!!

Cheers, HH.
Howard Hughes is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2004, 02:39
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Australia
Age: 59
Posts: 62
Everyone says that the wind must have been blowing pretty hard. Good pickup on the flag on the silo, but how about some hard evidence?

Go to the BOM site and to the weather charts page. Go to the bottom and find the analysis charts archive and bring up the 0000 and 0600 analysis charts for 14 August 2004. (Date the picture was taken).

Looks like a big front going through Brisbane from a low pressure system further down the coast. This would produce lots of wind.

So well done to the crew for what looks like a normal crosswind landing (provided to wind is from the right of the aircraft in the picture). If it is from the left then...........

Tinkicker
TinKicker is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2004, 03:12
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Sth central
Posts: 26
Good picture! however to me the rudder doesn't appear opposing down wing. Capn bloggs silly comment, I can assure you that a Dash is alot harder to land than any jet I have flown, and they also operate outside class C and A airspace, which sometimes requires a S.A ability larger than any jet pilots ego. The Q means ANV fitted
Freddy Fudpucker is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2004, 05:06
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 1,327
Tinkicker,

Re: hard evidence, I can go one better.

Check out Brisbane, QLD - Daily Weather Observations

On the 14th, max wind gust was from the W at 59km/h, (the third highest for the month) and the 9am wind speed of 26km/h from the W was in fact the highest for the month.

Given that the aircraft was probably landing RWY 19 (although i'm not all that familiar with the surroundings at YBBN), that equates to a decent crosswind depending on actual wind speed at the time. Maybe someone can deduce the time of day from the shadows that the aircraft is projecting?

Now does this end the speculation?


TL
Transition Layer is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2004, 06:03
  #18 (permalink)  

Bottums Up
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: dunnunda
Age: 63
Posts: 3,441
From my experience on the Dash crosswind landings were always the smoothest.

Probably because one was concentrating on keeping the thing on the centre line rather than bracing for the usual main gear crunch!
Capt Claret is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2004, 06:28
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 164
Time was about 1pm by memory.

Put that much wing down in a 737 or similar and see what happens...

NOT the X-wind method I would have suggested, but to each their own.

As they say, any landing you walk away from is a good landing.
Romeo Tango Alpha is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2004, 14:44
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: under your bed
Posts: 17
Romeo Tango Alpha

just curious...

What method would you have suggested instead of ailerons into wind and opposite rudder?
curfew2 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.