NAS and Dick 2; warning
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Dick,
So you managed to track down a few individuals from the industry panel to HARASS. Who’s a clever boy then? Still using your influence!
You then, when challenged, don’t even have the guts to admit it until caught out. Having discerned who these members are you then pick on the ones you perceive to be most vulnerable to your influence and harangue them with phone calls (yes more than one). How many airline/RPT pilots or ATC members of the panel did you have the guts to call? Well, we wouldn’t know because all you did was take one person’s comments, selectively exaggerate and manipulate them, and attempt to impugn a very reputable and dedicated member of the GA community for your own self justification.
Did you get his permission to broadcast his name, details and comments made in a personal phone call?
How dare you imply that Mr. Eyre was influenced in his role by having had an ADS-B unit fitted to his aircraft! I happen to know that that decision was taken some 18 months prior to your ridiculous airspace scheme (NAS- not your other ridiculous airspace schemes) and also that under the terms of agreement related to ADS-B fitment the avionics remain the property of Airservices. He has not been “given” anything!
I also know that, unlike you, he has contributed greatly to the implementation of ADS_B in Australia. He was flying and testing ADS-B before you could even spell it! What a grubby individual you are! But then again anyone who has been involved in airspace over the last decade or so already knows that.
Wouldn’t you, just once, like to achieve something in aviation on its merits rather than through political influence, half-truths and interference? There is a lot more satisfaction to be gained I can assure you. What a sad and confused childhood you must have had.
To quote a well known aviator akin to your level of expertise “You are a sad LITTLE man and you have my pity”.
So you managed to track down a few individuals from the industry panel to HARASS. Who’s a clever boy then? Still using your influence!
You then, when challenged, don’t even have the guts to admit it until caught out. Having discerned who these members are you then pick on the ones you perceive to be most vulnerable to your influence and harangue them with phone calls (yes more than one). How many airline/RPT pilots or ATC members of the panel did you have the guts to call? Well, we wouldn’t know because all you did was take one person’s comments, selectively exaggerate and manipulate them, and attempt to impugn a very reputable and dedicated member of the GA community for your own self justification.
Did you get his permission to broadcast his name, details and comments made in a personal phone call?
How dare you imply that Mr. Eyre was influenced in his role by having had an ADS-B unit fitted to his aircraft! I happen to know that that decision was taken some 18 months prior to your ridiculous airspace scheme (NAS- not your other ridiculous airspace schemes) and also that under the terms of agreement related to ADS-B fitment the avionics remain the property of Airservices. He has not been “given” anything!
I also know that, unlike you, he has contributed greatly to the implementation of ADS_B in Australia. He was flying and testing ADS-B before you could even spell it! What a grubby individual you are! But then again anyone who has been involved in airspace over the last decade or so already knows that.
Wouldn’t you, just once, like to achieve something in aviation on its merits rather than through political influence, half-truths and interference? There is a lot more satisfaction to be gained I can assure you. What a sad and confused childhood you must have had.
To quote a well known aviator akin to your level of expertise “You are a sad LITTLE man and you have my pity”.
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Well it seems that our professional controller friends at Airservices have been judged as being, "pseudo-professionals", therefore should not be heard in airspace design issues and the Airservices Directors dismissed out of hand as "not trained Public Company Directors" whatever that means.
So there you have it, from "self proclaimed experts" you understand, who even invoke Joe Goebbels to their cause and wonder why they are no longer relevant.
Airspace reform hijacked by pseudo-professionals
No death wish for over 200,000 pilots
Dick should also pray that Labor dont get into Govt, Martin Ferguson is not a fan.
So there you have it, from "self proclaimed experts" you understand, who even invoke Joe Goebbels to their cause and wonder why they are no longer relevant.
Airspace reform hijacked by pseudo-professionals
No death wish for over 200,000 pilots
Dick should also pray that Labor dont get into Govt, Martin Ferguson is not a fan.
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Crikey.
If that's the best AOPA can come up with as a press release, they should either spend money on some professional media/pr advice or wrap up the organisation now.
Pathetic. Where are the facts? A lot of emotional crap.
No wonder the media ignored it over 2 weeks ago.
If that's the best AOPA can come up with as a press release, they should either spend money on some professional media/pr advice or wrap up the organisation now.
Pathetic. Where are the facts? A lot of emotional crap.
No wonder the media ignored it over 2 weeks ago.
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"Qantas Chief Pilot, Captain Chris Manning, in a conversion with John Laws, has stated that the NAS is safe and added that if it were not, he would not allow Qantas to fly in unsafe airspace. Virgin Blue’s Chief Pilot has also supported the NAS."
If these two chief pilots are so enamoured by NAS, why is it that their crews amend their climb / descent profiles to remain clear of class E when their TCAS is US????
If these two chief pilots are so enamoured by NAS, why is it that their crews amend their climb / descent profiles to remain clear of class E when their TCAS is US????
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I'd be prepared to bet a substantial amount that the second one was written by DS...it is in his style.
Please Mr Bertram outline for all of us the formal qualifications of Mr DS and Houston in airspace design...or yourself/any other members of the AOPA.
I would suggest to you that not only is DS not professionally qualified in airspace design/risk management etc but he is a rank amatuer.
I would suggest to you that a (clearly successfull) career in the RAAF does NOT of itself prepare someone to comment knowledgably on civil airspace....given that his experience in civil flying would be dramatically less than the amatuer DS.
I would never be so arrogant as to tell DS how to market Vaginamite...nor could I ever envisage telling Angus Houston how to run the airforce (ie how to kill people and break their stuff).
The airspace over Australia, whether you want to admit it or not, is commercial airspace. The system is there to facilitate the safe conduct of commercial aviation which is necesary for the financial well being of Australia/Australians.
Those of us who fly for fun in our own aircraft or those of others MUST acknowledge this and ensure we have the knowledge and skills to fit in to that system...not change it to suite the smallest sector of the industry who also contribute the least towards its running costs.
I enjoy privately flying my own aircraft around when I'm home in Oz...but I do not enjoy shepherding a 767 into BNE wondering whether a light aircraft with defective/no transponder is going to wander across my bows....completely invisable against the backdrop of a lit up city.
When I want a clearance across BN I simply ask for it and it's given. When I go somewhere far enough away to warrant it I put in a flightplan. When I'm enroute I want to be on the correct frequency...I don't want to spend 5 minutes looking for it in 3 different publications. I only carry Jepps when I fly + those nice wac style charts that they have for parts of the J curve that used to have frequencies on them. If I'm enroute I want to be on the frequency everyone else in the altitude band I'm flying in is on. That means I look at the chart and dial up the area frequency. When on descent to a CTAF/MBZ I call up on that freq when appropriate (having been monitoring it for some time on my comm 2) and make an all stations call. Approaching GAAPs I track via the appropriate place and call inbound on tower freq. Approaching C airspace I call Center and ask for a clearance in plenty of time for them to have a look at my flightplan details and issue clearance. If there are RPT Operations inbound/outbound I happily hold/accept a modified clearance. I've NEVER had to hold except in a widebody in CTA due lots of other widebodies wanting to use the same runway...ever.
I have, ONCE, been denied a VFR clearance over Sydney...I didn't immediately assume it was a conspiracy and happily tracked via the LOE...and didn't feel my life was endangered as a result...I don't fly 100s of miles over open ocean in se aircraft.
It's called airmanship.
The NAS 2b airspace is so fundamentally flawed that I can only assume the 'safety first' culture you claim is at the forefront of AOPA Comittee's thoughts and actions is just so much BS. Its been a VERY long time since I let my AOPA membership lapse...it will be a cold day in hell before I reversed that situation.
Please Mr Bertram outline for all of us the formal qualifications of Mr DS and Houston in airspace design...or yourself/any other members of the AOPA.
I would suggest to you that not only is DS not professionally qualified in airspace design/risk management etc but he is a rank amatuer.
I would suggest to you that a (clearly successfull) career in the RAAF does NOT of itself prepare someone to comment knowledgably on civil airspace....given that his experience in civil flying would be dramatically less than the amatuer DS.
I would never be so arrogant as to tell DS how to market Vaginamite...nor could I ever envisage telling Angus Houston how to run the airforce (ie how to kill people and break their stuff).
The airspace over Australia, whether you want to admit it or not, is commercial airspace. The system is there to facilitate the safe conduct of commercial aviation which is necesary for the financial well being of Australia/Australians.
Those of us who fly for fun in our own aircraft or those of others MUST acknowledge this and ensure we have the knowledge and skills to fit in to that system...not change it to suite the smallest sector of the industry who also contribute the least towards its running costs.
I enjoy privately flying my own aircraft around when I'm home in Oz...but I do not enjoy shepherding a 767 into BNE wondering whether a light aircraft with defective/no transponder is going to wander across my bows....completely invisable against the backdrop of a lit up city.
When I want a clearance across BN I simply ask for it and it's given. When I go somewhere far enough away to warrant it I put in a flightplan. When I'm enroute I want to be on the correct frequency...I don't want to spend 5 minutes looking for it in 3 different publications. I only carry Jepps when I fly + those nice wac style charts that they have for parts of the J curve that used to have frequencies on them. If I'm enroute I want to be on the frequency everyone else in the altitude band I'm flying in is on. That means I look at the chart and dial up the area frequency. When on descent to a CTAF/MBZ I call up on that freq when appropriate (having been monitoring it for some time on my comm 2) and make an all stations call. Approaching GAAPs I track via the appropriate place and call inbound on tower freq. Approaching C airspace I call Center and ask for a clearance in plenty of time for them to have a look at my flightplan details and issue clearance. If there are RPT Operations inbound/outbound I happily hold/accept a modified clearance. I've NEVER had to hold except in a widebody in CTA due lots of other widebodies wanting to use the same runway...ever.
I have, ONCE, been denied a VFR clearance over Sydney...I didn't immediately assume it was a conspiracy and happily tracked via the LOE...and didn't feel my life was endangered as a result...I don't fly 100s of miles over open ocean in se aircraft.
It's called airmanship.
The NAS 2b airspace is so fundamentally flawed that I can only assume the 'safety first' culture you claim is at the forefront of AOPA Comittee's thoughts and actions is just so much BS. Its been a VERY long time since I let my AOPA membership lapse...it will be a cold day in hell before I reversed that situation.
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