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Just to re-iterate. This is not about Ansett and has nothing to do with Ansett. What ex pilots and FA's say and do has nothing to do with this case. It was filed within weeks of Ansetts collapse so any airlines opinion of ex AN staffers is quite irrelevant. Those opinions have been formed long after this was started. If any ex AN have caused trouble in other airlines, that is on their own heads, not ours. Please dont continue along this line as it is totally baseless. Continue with the bashing of old girls if you must but if you knew any of us I think that alot of you would change your opinion about that also. As hard as it will be for most of you to imagine, we are actually quite nice people.
Chimbu
You have a bit of a thing for ex-Ansett.
When I ventured abroad, I heard similar moanings about ex-AN, and for that matter ex-TAA pilots displaced in 89.
If you stick to the facts, history and the industry will probably judge them pretty well. Considering they make up senior line and management positions in some pretty desirable airlines.
Airlines that employed contemporary exAN pilots and then lost them inside of 12 months may not view them highly. That they were taken elsewhere must mean they are not all that bad.
I have heard the horror stories of a few aswell. Funnily, this small band where expected to make waves and were DH's at AN.
Ex AN F/A's have been well received from my sources. But then again, I don't like to pick on girls!
Except maybe the tacky girls at VB.
You have a bit of a thing for ex-Ansett.
When I ventured abroad, I heard similar moanings about ex-AN, and for that matter ex-TAA pilots displaced in 89.
If you stick to the facts, history and the industry will probably judge them pretty well. Considering they make up senior line and management positions in some pretty desirable airlines.
Airlines that employed contemporary exAN pilots and then lost them inside of 12 months may not view them highly. That they were taken elsewhere must mean they are not all that bad.
I have heard the horror stories of a few aswell. Funnily, this small band where expected to make waves and were DH's at AN.
Ex AN F/A's have been well received from my sources. But then again, I don't like to pick on girls!
Except maybe the tacky girls at VB.
Grandpa Aerotart
Unfortunately its impossible to read 'tone' in a written post...I'm NOT having an ex AN employees rant, my sister is one for god's sake...she was there over 10 years.
As I said in my previous post...not all...perhaps I've only been exposed to those few of which you speak.
Just curious that's all...I have heard some amazing things said in the cockpit by ex AN people.
As I said in my previous post...not all...perhaps I've only been exposed to those few of which you speak.
Just curious that's all...I have heard some amazing things said in the cockpit by ex AN people.
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Chimbu,
Not really fair that you tar all ex AN staff with the same "live in the past" brush.
Perhaps some of your pilot colleagues may do so, but pilots are but a small group of the large number of employees of AN.
Anflygirl is not bringing Ansett into the issue of discrimination. The case is being fought on the basis of age. EEO laws are there to protect the public from discrimination, either direct or INDIRECT. DJ can have whatever public image it likes, but EEO prevents them from only employing those from whatever "master race" it chooses.
Good luck Anflygirl
SG
Not really fair that you tar all ex AN staff with the same "live in the past" brush.
Perhaps some of your pilot colleagues may do so, but pilots are but a small group of the large number of employees of AN.
Anflygirl is not bringing Ansett into the issue of discrimination. The case is being fought on the basis of age. EEO laws are there to protect the public from discrimination, either direct or INDIRECT. DJ can have whatever public image it likes, but EEO prevents them from only employing those from whatever "master race" it chooses.
Good luck Anflygirl
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This discrimination line is a complete load of dogs dollocks.
Go to coles and buy a loaf of bread. You will have to discriminate between many types and brands. Only one might get your hard-earned $$$. You have this right to choose.
In a dream-world VB have the right to choose which flavour they want to spend their $$$ on and most people agree the sweet juicy younger ones taste better.
Go to coles and buy a loaf of bread. You will have to discriminate between many types and brands. Only one might get your hard-earned $$$. You have this right to choose.
In a dream-world VB have the right to choose which flavour they want to spend their $$$ on and most people agree the sweet juicy younger ones taste better.
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...and Chimbo is quite right of course!...
having spent some time o/seas with various companies in different countries, and mixing with pilots from all over the world, the biggest "pain in the asses" have been my fellow Oz pilots from Ansett and TAA who proceeded to tell all and sundry how the way "we did it" is the only way!
Not only were they wrong but they also made themselves most unpopular! And they're still doing it today!
It was an embarrassment to be associated with them!
having spent some time o/seas with various companies in different countries, and mixing with pilots from all over the world, the biggest "pain in the asses" have been my fellow Oz pilots from Ansett and TAA who proceeded to tell all and sundry how the way "we did it" is the only way!
Not only were they wrong but they also made themselves most unpopular! And they're still doing it today!
It was an embarrassment to be associated with them!
Younger staff may be more attractive and this may possibly translate to a more marketable product.
However, the main benefit to the management of a low cost airline in employing young people is that they are more naive and gullible and will work for peanuts. They don’t have the bitter life experiences to allow them to properly evaluate the current situation they face and extrapolate that to the future.
As a result, if they are given special treats and pats on the back from time to time by their puppet master, they will give years of loyal and non-unionised employment. In time they will come to realise that the peanuts they are given will not translate into a comfortable retirement and will see that their years of toil have been only to swell the coffers of the top dogs.
Look no further than Southwest Airlines to see what an unhappy bunch of little vegemites they have become. The same formula will likely apply here.
The real reason that the more experienced cabin attendants were not offered employment is that the management know they are too smart to be hoodwinked with a slick song and dance routine. Instead the management preys amongst the young and innocent.
Good luck to the experienced girls with their legal action. And also good luck to the current DJ staff with improving their lot in future times.
However, the main benefit to the management of a low cost airline in employing young people is that they are more naive and gullible and will work for peanuts. They don’t have the bitter life experiences to allow them to properly evaluate the current situation they face and extrapolate that to the future.
As a result, if they are given special treats and pats on the back from time to time by their puppet master, they will give years of loyal and non-unionised employment. In time they will come to realise that the peanuts they are given will not translate into a comfortable retirement and will see that their years of toil have been only to swell the coffers of the top dogs.
Look no further than Southwest Airlines to see what an unhappy bunch of little vegemites they have become. The same formula will likely apply here.
The real reason that the more experienced cabin attendants were not offered employment is that the management know they are too smart to be hoodwinked with a slick song and dance routine. Instead the management preys amongst the young and innocent.
Good luck to the experienced girls with their legal action. And also good luck to the current DJ staff with improving their lot in future times.
Grandpa Aerotart
I don't know how many times I have to stress not all but a significant % for it to sink in
I'm not going to start quoting people as I still work with some..suffice to say Obie is on the mark...very common perception of (relatively recent) ex AN - expat world wide...no recent personal experience of ex AO/TAA drivers.
As recently as last weekend I had numerous beers with a mate working domestically in Oz and his view was that his operation's cabin crew's attitude has taken a dive since significant ex AN staff have joined and whinged long and hard about just about everything.
I tend to think that VB's bias may be less age than along the lines of flexible resonse's post above...not saying it's right, just it's feasable that management are thinking that way.
I'm not going to start quoting people as I still work with some..suffice to say Obie is on the mark...very common perception of (relatively recent) ex AN - expat world wide...no recent personal experience of ex AO/TAA drivers.
As recently as last weekend I had numerous beers with a mate working domestically in Oz and his view was that his operation's cabin crew's attitude has taken a dive since significant ex AN staff have joined and whinged long and hard about just about everything.
I tend to think that VB's bias may be less age than along the lines of flexible resonse's post above...not saying it's right, just it's feasable that management are thinking that way.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Let's not jet started on precisely WHICH operator that might be C c!!
Whereas flight deck ops are generally Boeing or Airbus orientated, I guess that the cabin service will be something unique to each airline - after all, THAT is what the "customers" (as opposed to pax, in days of yore!) are exposed to, for the duration.
And the predominant influence of cabin crew from a previous airline may well alter the culture of the newer (impressionable) F/A's in the direction of the more experienced workmates' past employer.
"Previous experience" for an extended period of time, with ONE employer, therefore, might not ALWAYS be to one's advantage.
Whereas flight deck ops are generally Boeing or Airbus orientated, I guess that the cabin service will be something unique to each airline - after all, THAT is what the "customers" (as opposed to pax, in days of yore!) are exposed to, for the duration.
And the predominant influence of cabin crew from a previous airline may well alter the culture of the newer (impressionable) F/A's in the direction of the more experienced workmates' past employer.
"Previous experience" for an extended period of time, with ONE employer, therefore, might not ALWAYS be to one's advantage.
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Chimbu
These people you refer to are obviously tossers making life difficult for all the great crew who flew for AN.
But leopards don't change their spots. They would have been tossers at AN as well. Every company has them but they only become known to the wider community when they move on or their company folds. God help us if QF goes belly up!
These people you refer to are obviously tossers making life difficult for all the great crew who flew for AN.
But leopards don't change their spots. They would have been tossers at AN as well. Every company has them but they only become known to the wider community when they move on or their company folds. God help us if QF goes belly up!
