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Old 6th Aug 2004, 15:38
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How about Air Japan/Japan in general

I notice Air Japan advertising in the Austaralian for non-type rated B767 F/O's. Suprised no topic in the DG and GO forum yet.

Must be attractive as paying quite well compared to the paltry sums now standard in the lands of milk and honey.

By the way, there is an immenent shortage of talent in Japan for experienced pilots . About to start looking for drivers are: ANA; 45 B737ng's on order: Skymark; more 767's coming and B737ng's on order: AirDo; 2 B737-400's coming: SkynetAsia; expect 16 more B737-400's over next 3 years. Jalex will have big B737 order in 2-3 years.

Japanese pilots are experiencing huge retirement over the next few years.

Pay range for above positions would be US$9000-12000 for Capts (usual 60-70% for F/O's).

Requirement to hold ICAO licence therefore Oz/Kiwi drivers very much in demand.

Can commute or live in a very! interesting and safe country with stable (read responsible Govt control) aviation industry.
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M D, know a few blokes in Air Japan.
They live in Oz and since the aussie dollar has been doing so well the pay is not that fantastic ( relatively )
The " gentlemen " at the ATO have made a ruling that you have to spend 90 days consecutively ( I think that is the figure )out of the country to avoid paying Oz tax, on top of that there are all sorts of nasty little tax laws that prohibit ( or make it bluddy difficult ) to bring wads of cash back to Oz when and if you retire from that job.
Living in Japan is not an option for expat Air Japan pilots, they wont let you.
Having said that, I believe the training is good and extremely thorough, they go to some interesting places, guys who have only had little experience on something like a 146 have got direct entry commands, and even with the dollar the way it is, the only way to earn that sort of coin is to become a QF captain ( a little difficult if you have'nt already been there for 20 years )

Of the guys I know doing the contract, the ones that are single seem to like it and the happily married guys are hoping they can stay that way.

PS whats with the handle ?
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Murdoch...
Do you know what the requirements are?? How and where to apply?? Looked on their website but no employment information that I could see.
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www.hawaiiaviation.com

see latest ozjobs in d & g aircrew notices

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Also look under www.rishworth.co.nz for B737 positions. I think they are advertising for Skynet.
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Question iATPL

Murdoch:
"Requirement to hold ICAO licence therefore Oz/Kiwi drivers very much in demand."
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Why is this so? I currently hold an AusATPL, how do you transfer to an ICAO ATPL? Can this be done simply?

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Your Australian licence conforms to ICAO Annex 1 (ICAO licence), have a look at section XIII of your licence for the ICAO differances.

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m_d, I'm not sure where you're getting your info from, but certainly the one "Jalex will have big B737 order in 2-3 years." is totally INcorrect. JAL Express are moving into MD80's & 90's (the old...very old [no RNAV].... JAS ones), and are currently looking for experienced Captains as they come into service from May of next year.

The latest rumour (last night, as a matter of fact), is that Air Japan have stated that they will "soon" start to upgrade some of the foreign F/O's to the lhs - the upgrades being based on the oldest and most experienced to go first, regardless of joining date.
Bear in mind, that it takes almost exactly 12 months for a Japanese F/O to be cleared to start flying in the lhs, and one can only wonder how long they will dictate it has to take a gaijin
I was also told that quite a number of F/O's from Air Japan have left, to join CX, Dragon Air and Silk Air.
Although the $$$'s in Air Japan look good, you are paid a GROSS salary, and are responsible for paying your own tax. To the best of my knowledge, the guys there don't have residency status in Japan, and therefore don't qualify for paying Jap tax.

Having just been hit been gone through like a dose of salts, by the ATO and the Q'ld State Government (who used Immigration records to substantiate their claims), I wouldn't suggest you try to fiddle the tax man. The penalties alone can be severely punishing!
ANA; 45 B737ng's on order
Yes....well......the RUMOUR there was that ANA was going to establish a big LCC operation out of Nagoya early next year.
The following press release (unfortunately) appears closer to REALITY:-

ANA establishes AIR NEXT, a small-size fleet operator

Based on the ANA Group 2004-2006 Mid-Term Corporate Strategy, the ANA Group established AIR NEXT, a low-cost fleet operator. This new carrier will operate domestic flights for ANA with a fleet of B737-500s based at Fukuoka Airport.

1. Company name : AIR NEXT Co., Ltd.
2. President & CEO: YO****AKE, Ikuo
3. Paid-in capital: ¥50 million
4. Shareholder: 100% Air Nippon Co., Ltd. (ANA’s nearly 100% owned subsidiary)
5. Headquarters: Tokyo, Japan
6. Date of establishment:August 20,2004
7. Business plan

(1) Start of service: June, 2005
(2) Aircraft: B737-500 leased from ANA (2 aircraft in operation by the end of March 2006, another 5 aircraft will be added by the end of March 2008)
(3) Network: Serving Fukuoka- or Okinawa-based domestic routes currently operated by the ANA Group
(4) Employees: Initially a staff of 40

SEVEN miserable aircraft over a 4 year period!!


SkynetAsia; expect 16 more B737-400's over next 3 years.
This sounds like wishful thinking, considering that in June of this year, SNA announced that they were in dire financial straits
Hot off the press, Sky Net Asia officially declared itself insolvent to the Government late last week, and has asked for a hand-out of between USD$40.0 - USD$50.0 million to keep flying.

A Declaration of Insolvency in Japan, is similar to chapter 11 in the USA, whereby a company asks for protection from its creditors until its financial position can be determined.
Without a doubt there is going to be a strong demand for pilots in Japan, to replace the huge exodus of retirees, over the next few years.
On the other hand, productivity of Japanese pilots is extremely low - they average around 45-50 hours per month in the company I'm with, and for that they are paid USD20k-$30k per month + generous bonuses twice a year.
Foreign pilots flying here earn about 1/2 the salary (but no bonuses!!), fly 65-85 hours per month, and have 2 "Off" days less per month (8 instead of 10).
The companies are very afraid of the "unions" here (which have no real teeth), but the problem is really extremly inefficient scheduling of rosters.

Contracts mean absolutely ZILCH to the Japanese, so if you do sign, I suggest you do it in Australia and file a copy for the future.
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Are they only interviewing guys with 1000hrs jet? Or will they consider turboprop hrs?

Applying anyway....
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re SNA:-

State-backed IRCJ to bail out Skynet Asia

State-backed Industrial Revitalization Corp. of Japan said Friday it will bail out struggling discount airline Skynet Asia Airways Co., anticipating business to pick up with a route expansion.
The Miyazaki-based airline, saddled with a negative net worth of 1.43 billion yen, has become the 18th business to be assisted by IRCJ.

Under the bailout plan, the IRCJ will inject 3.4 billion yen into Skynet Asia by buying new common shares to be issued by the airline. The carrier will then be temporarily converted into an IRCJ subsidiary.

Skynet Asia's 2.5 billion yen capital will be reduced by 900 million yen so that its stockholders share the burden of its performance.

In addition to IRCJ, the airline will also receive 200 million yen in capital from an investment fund set up by the Miyazaki Prefectural Government.

The current management team will be asked to step down.

Skynet Asia plans to launch service on a third route next April, and is said to be examining prospects of flying between Tokyo and Kochi or Oita.

Skynet Asia began operating in August 2002 with one route between Tokyo's Haneda airport and the city of Miyazaki. Last August, it launched another route, between Tokyo and the city of Kumamoto.

Mounting investment costs dragged its finances into negative net worth, prompting the airline's chairman, Mitsunori Mera, to announce Thursday its intention to seek help from IRCJ or venture capital firms.

IRCJ, set up in May 2003, is charged with helping revive heavily indebted companies deemed otherwise viable by buying their loans held by creditor banks other than their main banks.

The Japan Times: June 26, 2004
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I don't know were the idea of 16 aircraft came from, but they are recruiting (The first groups three year contracts are up soon, so they may be preparing for some attrition, as well as gearing up for the new route mentioned above).

I don't know about their long term future, but I would think they will be around for a while yet.
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Linguist,

Better check that Tax ruling, if you are a permanent resident of a different country ie Japan, and you do not earn any money in Australia, I think you will find that the tax payable in OZ is 0.
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Living in Japan is not an option for expat Air Japan pilots, they wont let you.
To the best of my knowledge, the guys there don't have residency status in Japan, and therefore don't qualify for paying Jap tax.
Therein lies the problem, Hydolix - under the ATO rules you MUST pay tax (there are specified countries with which Australia has reciprocal tax agreements ie. if you pay tax in that country, you are not liable for Oz tax).

You cannot just NOT pay tax - you're setting yourself up for enormous penalties PLUS payment of tax on the incomes received from commencement of employment.

Just because you are working/living in another country, you don't automatically receive "Resident" status. If you do have "Resident" status in Japan (or another country) it will be stamped in your passport, and in Japan's case you'll be issued a plastic card.
Plus - of course - you will have to pay tax on your salary (unless you live in a tax-free country..which Japan is NOT).

I don't see why ANA should have a problem arranging this for the foreign pilots they employ, as they obviously need you for the longer term.
It's something you need to push the agencies on - but then again THEY don't care, because it's YOU who'll be carrying the can once you get caught.
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Ah, thanks for clarifying that Kapn M, yes I was referring to the chaps I know who reside in Oz and you are quite correct, you must pay tax somewhere. Living outside Oz for 90 consecutive days only relieves you from paying Oz tax if you can prove you have paid it somewhere else ( my understanding )
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This does not constitute advice... However, here's a place where you can compare the tax regime in various countries for various earning/dependent situations, which will while away a few boring minutes for you... http://www.forbes.com/business/globa.../0524/074.html

Just make sure you have that seat belt fastened at all times when climbing up on that wallet. Wouldn't want to fall off and hurt someone below. Just kidding...
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Parc vs HACS

Hi,

Since some of you in this D&G forum seem to have a handle on the Air Japan deal, may I ask what is the difference between going with Parc vs HACS?

Is the direct hire option available to any Japanese carriers?

Thanks for your replies.
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Direct hire?
SkyNet Asia.
Maybe.
Maybe also Air Do.
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Hey KapM
You are only half correct in what you say regarding Australian tax. The crux of the situation is whether you are resident or non-resident of Australia, for tax purposes. If you are deemed non-resident by way of satisfying the resides, domicile, 183 day, and superannuation tests, then income sourced outside Australia does not have to be declared. Only if you are an Australian resident working overseas do you have to pay Australian tax on foreign sourced income, which may be mitigated by double taxation arrangements.
If you work overseas and your family resides in Australia, you're knackered. If you sell your house, close your bank accounts and move the whole catastrophe overseas you would have a case for no tax.
It sounds like you didn't satisfy the non-residency rules, yet deemed yourself non-resident and didn't pay the tax, a fatal error, as you have no doubt found out. There have been hundreds in the same boat after 98 who thought no tax was liable just because they were physically overseas, an erroneous conclusion that has always been fraught with danger.
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Current F/o contract -
Base pay approx $US8000/month - 80% during training phase (Captain approx $US11000)
Overtime after 70 block hours per month (very rarely happens).
Commuting allowance $US1000.
Accomodation allowance $US500 (equivilant to 10 nights per month- 120 nights PA) for 'in-base' accomodation of your choice.
$US72/day allowance when out of home base at hotel (block-in to block out only), with hotel provided by company.
Superannuation contribution of approx 7% (Parc) or 15% (HACS)
$US18,000 contract completion bonus (5 years)
24 days annual leave
6 days sick leave PA
ZED fare (subload) discount travel on QF/Thai/Air NZ/United and a few others. You can use ZED for commuting, but don't miss your flight!

Upgrade to LHS...maybe, but not in contract. The company has stated they only intend to hire F/o's from now on (as per NCA) unless DEC are required due to no suitable F/o's.

777Efoh...no direct hire into AJX. HACS pay double the rate for super, plus they comunicate well with their crew So guess which one is perceived as being better!

MinimaNoContact...1000 hours jet required so that you may hold a JCAB ATPL and thus do PF duties so as to gain experience for a possible LHS upgrade. 3000TT is the ANA/company minimum for a command.

Kaptin M... of the original 19 F/o's, just two have recently left - one to Thai Orient and one to Air NZ, primarily for career/lifestyle/family reasons. More (including captains) are looking and pondering, possibly to the airlines you suggested.

Captain Can't...an ICAO license is required (Australia/NZ license is ICAO) in order to 'speed' up the training. You must pass a law exam and radio license exam, with several days training provided prior, plus then pass a JCAB license issue sim check. This requires many many sims to practice getting right! You must also do a JCAB type-rating issue sim, following another 2 dozen sims of practice (with only 1 or 2 sims being done per week). Expect the training to take 6-8 months, during which time you will not be able to go home, although AJX will fly your wife up twice and your kids up once during the training period. Towards the end of the training you will probably be slightly potty (and pickled)!

The route network in currently passenger flying out of NRT/KIX to HKG/GUM/HNL and freight flying to various places in China. Most is back of the clock stuff the locals don't want to do. The limits for a two pilot operation (which can be legally exceeded!) are 15 hours duty in a 24 hour period (which can be split!) and 12 hours flying.

Generally...
New and/or over-maintained aircraft (is there such a thing?!).
Very easy checks/sims etc.
Plenty of time in Japan to enjoy your hotel!
Always arrive at destination with a stack of fuel in the tanks.
Most aspects of the operation are well suported and generally run like clockwork.
7e7s are on the way...but maybe not for AJX for a long time, if ever.

Food for thought...good luck.

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Excellent summary, verticleroll, thank you.
Out of curiousity, if you receive a commuting allowance does that mean you have to nominate a specific country as your domicile?
As you have stated, "You enter Japan on a crew shorepass (valid for 7 days) so technically can't live in Japan" - therefore is the "[i]$US72/day allowance when out of home base", paid for the entire time you are away from (say) Australia?
Or do they conveniently nominate you as being "based" in KIX, without allowing you - in fact - to be based there?

Have you had any hard evidence that the contractor IS paying tax somewhere for you?
An investigation by the ATO would require you to prove that you held "resident" status in a foreign country, to remove your obligation to paying Oz tax (if you are an Australian citizen).
The following as an example from the ATO website:-
Bronwyn – an extended job overseas
Facts
Bronwyn, a resident of Australia, has received a job offer to work overseas for three years, with the option to extend for another three years.

Bronwyn, her husband and three children decide to make the move.

They retain their property in Australia, as they intend to return one day.

The house will be rented out during their absence.

Bronwyn is uncertain whether she will extend the option to stay after three years, and will decide later, depending on how the family like the life there.

While overseas, they will rent a house with an accommodation allowance provided under her contract.

Outcome: why is Bronwyn considered a non-resident?
The following table outlines the reasons why the four residency tests were not satisfied.


Test

resides - she is not physically present in Australia, even though she has maintained the family home in Australia.

domicile - her permanent place of abode is outside Australia due to:
the length of time she has committed to spending overseas
establishment of a home overseas, and
her family accompanying her.
the fact that she will not be selling the home in Australia, although relevant, is not persuasive enough to overcome the finding on the basis of the other factors.
it is arguable that she has abandoned her home in Australia for the duration of her stay, by renting it out.

183 day rule - this does not apply from the date of her departure for overseas.

superannuation - this does not apply.


The following example (again from the ATO site) might also be useful:-
Emily – teaching in Japan
Facts
Emily leaves Australia to work in Japan as a teacher of English.

She has a one-year contract, after which she plans to tour China and other parts of Asia before returning to Australia to resume work here.

During her time in Japan, she lives with a family who treat her as one of their own.

She rents out her property in Australia during her absence.

Emily is single. Her parents live interstate, and her brother has moved to France.

Outcome: why is Emily considered a resident?
Even though Emily is residing in Japan, under the domicile test:

her domicile is in Australia (a resident who has always lived in Australia will generally retain a domicile here when they are absent overseas, unless they choose to permanently migrate to another country), and
her permanent place of abode remains in Australia.


Good Luck.
BTW, Japan DOES have female pilots - no Captains with any of the airlines yet, to the best of my knowledge, but a spattering of (female) F/O's in various airlines.
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Kaptin M...theoretically, per the contract, you have to live in either Australia, NZ, Singapore or Hong Kong (to minimise time-zone changes when you commute?). Otherwise you must have the permission of the company to live elsewhere. Some guys do - Europe, Malaysia, Rarotonga.
Ah, the 'base'! Initially, AJX anticipated the 'base' was anywhere in Japan - thus no allowance would be paid whilst in Japan! Our understandanding was our base was one nominated airport from where we were primarily rostered and kept most of our belongings/suitcases etc. Thus contract was changed to reflect this, so, if you are NRT 'based' (for rostering purposes - not where you are domiciled) you get no allowance whilst in NRT but you do if you spend a hotel night in KIX (or HNL or HKG). Theoretically, if you spend the whole month operating out of your 'base', you will get no allowances (except for the commuting and 10 day accomodation allowance).
Have not heard a peep about Parc or HACS paying any tax for us - wishful thinking!
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