QF and J* Pilots - One Happy Family?
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So......you were tripping over yourselves to say 'yes' to flying the 320 for the same money, but we are to believe you will now get the balls to negotiate the EBA of the century.
Having said that, there are two separate issues here. A 'NO' vote for the ****house deal, doesn't mean that AIPA can't get coverage of the leopards.
if the conditions are as bad as you say they are then there will have been 1-2 EBA's that may have addressed some of your concerns.
AIPA knows that there was more money available and the guys sold themselves a bit cheap...
So......you were tripping over yourselves to say 'yes' to flying the 320 for the same money, but we are to believe you will now get the balls to negotiate the EBA of the century.
Having said that, there are two separate issues here. A 'NO' vote for the ****house deal, doesn't mean that AIPA can't get coverage of the leopards.
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Pollution,
If some hard words make you change your opinion, you'd better not stand for anything. The attitude being conveyed by schweinhund was one of F you Jack. (Oops, I did it again). I guess the pork chop is aimed at schwein? What am I saying that is not true?
How do you know what Oldmeadow is up to? Anecdotes do not make truth. The Jetstar pilots did not receive advice from Oldmeadow. What makes you make such an outrageous statement?
Special deals on A380 and A340!!! Mate, the reds are under your bed!!! Dream on. Who's the pork chop now?
Keep livin in the twilight zone old chap. Conspiracy theories belong on TV. Deal with the facts and plan for the future, don't waste time on furphies.
VOTE YES!!!!! Don't Beg.
Aresti,
What does voting no achieve? You feel good about yourself?
How does voting no improve the deal? It doesnt but again you feel good about yourself!
If there are redundancies in Mainline you don't want protections for a job in Jetstar?
If I was a Jetstar pilot and Mainline voted down this deal I would think that Mainline didnt want me to have progression in to that area of the company. Why would I then go and join their union? So I could get screwed over again?
Not one person has put a valid argument forward other than "I dont like it ", and "You blokes shat on us! ".
Big deal. Move forward with direction and purpose or cling to the past and get right royally shafted. Wake up, work together and you might be amazed at what you can achieve.
VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If some hard words make you change your opinion, you'd better not stand for anything. The attitude being conveyed by schweinhund was one of F you Jack. (Oops, I did it again). I guess the pork chop is aimed at schwein? What am I saying that is not true?
How do you know what Oldmeadow is up to? Anecdotes do not make truth. The Jetstar pilots did not receive advice from Oldmeadow. What makes you make such an outrageous statement?
Special deals on A380 and A340!!! Mate, the reds are under your bed!!! Dream on. Who's the pork chop now?
Keep livin in the twilight zone old chap. Conspiracy theories belong on TV. Deal with the facts and plan for the future, don't waste time on furphies.
VOTE YES!!!!! Don't Beg.
Aresti,
What does voting no achieve? You feel good about yourself?
How does voting no improve the deal? It doesnt but again you feel good about yourself!
If there are redundancies in Mainline you don't want protections for a job in Jetstar?
If I was a Jetstar pilot and Mainline voted down this deal I would think that Mainline didnt want me to have progression in to that area of the company. Why would I then go and join their union? So I could get screwed over again?
Not one person has put a valid argument forward other than "I dont like it ", and "You blokes shat on us! ".
Big deal. Move forward with direction and purpose or cling to the past and get right royally shafted. Wake up, work together and you might be amazed at what you can achieve.
VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mulder.
The infor on oldmeadow comes from a very well placed source in AIPA.
AIPA has been aware of his role in the Jetstar pilot wage 'negotiations' from the beginning. If you dont believe me - fine.
Ask someone you trust on the COM (if you have any mates that is)
As for 'reds under the bed', mate you are the one which claimed that "10,000 other pilots would take our jobs given half the chance"
you can't have it both ways me old chum.
A few of us who frequent this forum are presently collaborating so as to determine your real identity - shouldn't be too hard given the stupidity of your arguments.
Hopefully we can all catch up down the track for a 'full and frank' exchange of views.
The infor on oldmeadow comes from a very well placed source in AIPA.
AIPA has been aware of his role in the Jetstar pilot wage 'negotiations' from the beginning. If you dont believe me - fine.
Ask someone you trust on the COM (if you have any mates that is)
As for 'reds under the bed', mate you are the one which claimed that "10,000 other pilots would take our jobs given half the chance"
you can't have it both ways me old chum.
A few of us who frequent this forum are presently collaborating so as to determine your real identity - shouldn't be too hard given the stupidity of your arguments.
Hopefully we can all catch up down the track for a 'full and frank' exchange of views.
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Pollution,
Well if the few of youse who frequent this forum are all of your intellect you shouldn't have any problem discovering my identity.
Your Oldmeadow story is rubbish and your mate on COM is full of it if that is what he/she has told you.
The claim of others taking your job. Why don't you be Mr. Tough Guy, pick a fight, resign and find out. Been done before, Old Chum.
I doubt we would ever catch up "down the track" as I doubt we would have much in common, other than an employer.
Wake up to yourself. Search for the truth. It's out there!
VOTE YES!!!!!!!!
Well if the few of youse who frequent this forum are all of your intellect you shouldn't have any problem discovering my identity.
Your Oldmeadow story is rubbish and your mate on COM is full of it if that is what he/she has told you.
The claim of others taking your job. Why don't you be Mr. Tough Guy, pick a fight, resign and find out. Been done before, Old Chum.
I doubt we would ever catch up "down the track" as I doubt we would have much in common, other than an employer.
Wake up to yourself. Search for the truth. It's out there!
VOTE YES!!!!!!!!
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You sound to me like a very frightened and misguided little boy, mulder. Truth is, the vote ain't up to me. Its up to all from both groups. I dont know of anyone except you who thinks this is a good idea. And you are whimpering like a little puppy about it all.
Sad really.
Sad really.
short flights long nights
Finally.after many years Mulder gives me closure. The reason for this is, I was always worried about the QF selection procedure, but now I know I dont have to worry. And before Mulder starts, I manages to find a VERY large internatiomal airline that wanted to employ me, and I am still happy 14 years later.
My question is to whoever (and I hope I make sense) be it QF QF Link J STAR or what ever is thought up next, surley you all are professinal (spelling?) pilots, that whish to offer the same product at the end of the day...that is a aircraft at the gate with a lot of happy pax, so what is the problem?
And before anyone statrs about international flying, I do it everyday, and its no harder, or even less hard than Australian Domestic. Which I have done.
So join together, build a force, for divided, you ALL WILL fall
My question is to whoever (and I hope I make sense) be it QF QF Link J STAR or what ever is thought up next, surley you all are professinal (spelling?) pilots, that whish to offer the same product at the end of the day...that is a aircraft at the gate with a lot of happy pax, so what is the problem?
And before anyone statrs about international flying, I do it everyday, and its no harder, or even less hard than Australian Domestic. Which I have done.
So join together, build a force, for divided, you ALL WILL fall
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I too will be voting YES!
Not because I like the conditions,
Not because I like the contract,
But because it is a foot in the door.
AIPA's involvement should enable the jetstar contract to be brought up to at least parity with DJ.
Voting YES does not make it mandatory to apply for Jetstar.
Voting no is exactly what QF and Jetstar management want.
It keeps QF pilots completely seperate from Jetstar. Some may think they are taking a 'moral' stand' by voting no. Consider this, Jetstar may be owned by Qantas, but is a different brand. JEtconnect is the same brand, SAME AIRCRAFT and considerably LOWER conditions, so what has been done about this?
A: Nothing, a rubbery agreement limiting aircraft numbers which has already been broken.
Finally, whilst I think Mulder is doing no favours to himself or his argument, I find it utterly repugnant that there are those who seek here to threaten him by exposing his identity and thereby shutdown his argument. Mulder may be posting incognito for this exact reason.
I would love to 'discuss' the merits of this approach up the track too.
Not because I like the conditions,
Not because I like the contract,
But because it is a foot in the door.
AIPA's involvement should enable the jetstar contract to be brought up to at least parity with DJ.
Voting YES does not make it mandatory to apply for Jetstar.
Voting no is exactly what QF and Jetstar management want.
It keeps QF pilots completely seperate from Jetstar. Some may think they are taking a 'moral' stand' by voting no. Consider this, Jetstar may be owned by Qantas, but is a different brand. JEtconnect is the same brand, SAME AIRCRAFT and considerably LOWER conditions, so what has been done about this?
A: Nothing, a rubbery agreement limiting aircraft numbers which has already been broken.
Finally, whilst I think Mulder is doing no favours to himself or his argument, I find it utterly repugnant that there are those who seek here to threaten him by exposing his identity and thereby shutdown his argument. Mulder may be posting incognito for this exact reason.
I would love to 'discuss' the merits of this approach up the track too.
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Not being a Jetstar or Qantas mainline pilot I am not privileged to see the letter of agreement but have see and heard enough to wonder why anyone would vote for it… I think that the first thing to happen is AIPA representation for the pilots at Jetstar and then negotiate a better deal.
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longjohn. I agree with your sentiments to a certain extent. This is a situation where we are damned if we do, and damned if we dont.
Problem for us is that if we say yes, then yes we are united, but only to a degree, and if we say no then we remain divided.
But in addition to this, if we say yes, then we are endorsing the crap pay and conditions that they get. If we say no, then we don't give them our endorsement.
Which is the lesser evil?
IMO, AIPA are fully responsible for this woeful situation, and they have played directly into the hands of management. They should have sought Jetstar (and others including regionals) coverage without stating clearly to GD that we are lapdogs who will roll over and accept the bullsh1t that Jetstar face.
Shame on you AIPA. Listen to your membership. You are on a tangent which leads us all down the path of destruction.
Problem for us is that if we say yes, then yes we are united, but only to a degree, and if we say no then we remain divided.
But in addition to this, if we say yes, then we are endorsing the crap pay and conditions that they get. If we say no, then we don't give them our endorsement.
Which is the lesser evil?
IMO, AIPA are fully responsible for this woeful situation, and they have played directly into the hands of management. They should have sought Jetstar (and others including regionals) coverage without stating clearly to GD that we are lapdogs who will roll over and accept the bullsh1t that Jetstar face.
Shame on you AIPA. Listen to your membership. You are on a tangent which leads us all down the path of destruction.
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Well, from someone who's "been there done that"...
an oldie, but a goodie!...
'united you stand, divided you fall'
and if you divide, you will surely fall!
But, Hey!...if you want to stuff up the future for all of you, then go for it!!
an oldie, but a goodie!...
'united you stand, divided you fall'
and if you divide, you will surely fall!
But, Hey!...if you want to stuff up the future for all of you, then go for it!!
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The only certainty to this whole issue is that pilots will vote for whatever personally suits them best.
The notion that any solidarity exists amongst proffessional pilot ranks is mere folly.
Just cast an eye back over our illustrious industrial past.
The notion that any solidarity exists amongst proffessional pilot ranks is mere folly.
Just cast an eye back over our illustrious industrial past.
