JetStar & QF pilots on same seniority list.
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If Qantas domestic is soaked up over the next 5 years by the Jetstar operation maybe getting a Jetstar seniority number is not such a bad idea.
When Qantas domestic is almost gone and everyone is on the new conditions Jetstar will fail and the domestic operation will go back to Qantas domestic.
It might cost a bit repainting all of those aircraft though.
When Qantas domestic is almost gone and everyone is on the new conditions Jetstar will fail and the domestic operation will go back to Qantas domestic.
It might cost a bit repainting all of those aircraft though.
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um why?
If I joined Myers (Grace Bros) should I get on the seniorty list of Coles supermarkets? (as an example, I realise they dont have seniority)
Surely if you put in an application to join Jetstar, you join Jetstar - not QANTAS, and similarly if you join QF, you fly for QF not Jetstar. Now I realise that QF own Jet*, but it is a seperate entity isnt it?
Anyway all of you guys either hate QF or Jetstar, so why would you want to fly for the other and/or be on the others seniority list.
(QF have enough in-fighting about their own seniority, let alone amalgamating another body into the system)
If I joined Myers (Grace Bros) should I get on the seniorty list of Coles supermarkets? (as an example, I realise they dont have seniority)
Surely if you put in an application to join Jetstar, you join Jetstar - not QANTAS, and similarly if you join QF, you fly for QF not Jetstar. Now I realise that QF own Jet*, but it is a seperate entity isnt it?
Anyway all of you guys either hate QF or Jetstar, so why would you want to fly for the other and/or be on the others seniority list.
(QF have enough in-fighting about their own seniority, let alone amalgamating another body into the system)
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Wind up alert !!!!
I think there would be blood spilled on the tarmac over this suggestion.
Different kettle of fish especially seeing that Australian Airlines became Qantas as such and they had their own union representation following this integration in line with the AIPA.
I dont think JetStart even qualifies on any front.
Do you honestly think that the Qantas pilots would vote for this???
No, I didnt think so either.
While we're at it why not include all of the Qantas Link (Eastern etc) pilots as well as NJS doing Qantas flights and make it one big happy family?????
I think there would be blood spilled on the tarmac over this suggestion.
Different kettle of fish especially seeing that Australian Airlines became Qantas as such and they had their own union representation following this integration in line with the AIPA.
I dont think JetStart even qualifies on any front.
Do you honestly think that the Qantas pilots would vote for this???
No, I didnt think so either.
While we're at it why not include all of the Qantas Link (Eastern etc) pilots as well as NJS doing Qantas flights and make it one big happy family?????
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QF have a comprehensive selection process for one reason,to ensure they get the right calibre of pilot. It is not only stupid, but down right insulting to all the other QF regionals to even allow the ex-Impulse pornstar monkeys into the QF seniority system and just makes a mockery of the millions of $ spent on recruiting the right person.
Jetrat will end up a liability to QF, wait and see.
When will you learn to have some respect for other professionals?
Another sandpit you can only look at, not play in!
Woomera
Pete has apologised for his comments re other pilots and promised to be a good boy in the future.
Otherwise...........!!!
Woomera
Jetrat will end up a liability to QF, wait and see.
When will you learn to have some respect for other professionals?
Another sandpit you can only look at, not play in!
Woomera
Pete has apologised for his comments re other pilots and promised to be a good boy in the future.
Otherwise...........!!!
Woomera
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Well the presidence was started with the intergration of the dometic Australian Airlines an QF, so thats bullswool pete conrat about the selection process.
J* is gonna take over a big bulk of the QF roots including regonal stuff later on like to NZ. Thats where all the jet promotions an commands are gonna go. Thats the diffrence between J* an the baby reginals.
Wiill they last 5 years? Yes Captain Partridge managment will make sure of it!
J* is gonna take over a big bulk of the QF roots including regonal stuff later on like to NZ. Thats where all the jet promotions an commands are gonna go. Thats the diffrence between J* an the baby reginals.
Wiill they last 5 years? Yes Captain Partridge managment will make sure of it!
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Dexter, how wrong you are. J* will not end up doing most of the regional stuff as you so eloquently put it, certainly NOT the tasman stuff from Jetconnect. J* could not do it for less than what Jetconnect do being based in NZ, that is fact.
Australian Airlines had a very comprehensive selection process Dexter, I still have a letter laying around somewhere detailing the process, it was more than what was required to get a job at Impact thats for sure.
rescue 1, thats the rumour in NZ anyway, don't know how true it is.
Australian Airlines had a very comprehensive selection process Dexter, I still have a letter laying around somewhere detailing the process, it was more than what was required to get a job at Impact thats for sure.
rescue 1, thats the rumour in NZ anyway, don't know how true it is.
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I seem to remember around ’89 that Australian Airlines had a interview process that consisted of not much more than a willingness to sigh a contract, people who did not even have an Australian license let alone citizenship were fast tracked to a job, these people are/were acceptable to Qantas. The fact is, if a person is employed by Qantas mainline or one of its wholly owned regionals they are Qantas employees. 
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Couple points here. First is for the almighty himself. Yes you Big W. In Pete's edited post above, you describe Jet* pilots as professionals. OK, but there are those of us out there who don't think it is very professional behaviour to jump in under another group of pilots and undercut them as they did.
Jetstar = Professionals. Not with that kind of behaviour.
Next. The possibility of an Impulse pilot flying a QF mainline aircraft currently exists. Subject to a vote by both groups. But the simple fact of the matter is this. Most QF pilots that I have spoken to about this see it as a simple waste of time by AIPA. This is not what the membership want. It will be voted down.
Jetstar = Professionals. Not with that kind of behaviour.
Next. The possibility of an Impulse pilot flying a QF mainline aircraft currently exists. Subject to a vote by both groups. But the simple fact of the matter is this. Most QF pilots that I have spoken to about this see it as a simple waste of time by AIPA. This is not what the membership want. It will be voted down.
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Its a desparate attempt by AIPA to make up for being caught with their pants down. Blind freddy could have seen this coming, but AIPA certainly didn't. Now they are battlinng (and failing I might add) to keep their foot in the door.
Sorry guys - the door closed long ago. We are out in the cold. The scabs have won.
Sorry guys - the door closed long ago. We are out in the cold. The scabs have won.
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Talking to all my friends in Qantas they say they are happy for Jetstar pilots to join AIPA and go luck to us. Most Jetstar pilots think its a good move to join AIPA. Some people on here think the two pilots groups hate each other. They don't.
Qantas has said this is the job and the pay to both pilots groups. I have taken the jetstar pilot pay and mainline pilots ahve taken whats on offer from Qantas.
Yorik if you don't like what Qantas does you go and tell Dixon, then leave and start your own airline up.
(With due credit and acknowledgement to golow)
I think pilots are all the same, just (professional) men and women who do the best they can no matter what company name is on the side of the aircraft.
Here, here!!
It's no wonder the various fragmented pilot groups get done over by management with the north end of a south bound pineapple, when they are so bigoted, biased and fragmented they slag all other pilots who do not hold the same type endorsement and employed by the same company.
I’ve met quite a few new, 250 hour CPLs who could give lessons in professionalism to some of the big time, long haul “airline captains” who regularly post in PPRuNe.
The sooner pilots acknowledge and respect their collective professionalism, the sooner they will work together for the common good,.
And, Yorik, whilst you are setting up your own airline, how about you also set up a bulletin board on your own web site, because we’re getting very tired of your childish and ludicrous comments on our Forum.
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Qantas has said this is the job and the pay to both pilots groups. I have taken the jetstar pilot pay and mainline pilots ahve taken whats on offer from Qantas.
Yorik if you don't like what Qantas does you go and tell Dixon, then leave and start your own airline up.
(With due credit and acknowledgement to golow)
I think pilots are all the same, just (professional) men and women who do the best they can no matter what company name is on the side of the aircraft.
Here, here!!
It's no wonder the various fragmented pilot groups get done over by management with the north end of a south bound pineapple, when they are so bigoted, biased and fragmented they slag all other pilots who do not hold the same type endorsement and employed by the same company.
I’ve met quite a few new, 250 hour CPLs who could give lessons in professionalism to some of the big time, long haul “airline captains” who regularly post in PPRuNe.
The sooner pilots acknowledge and respect their collective professionalism, the sooner they will work together for the common good,.
And, Yorik, whilst you are setting up your own airline, how about you also set up a bulletin board on your own web site, because we’re getting very tired of your childish and ludicrous comments on our Forum.
Woomera
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Tunguska, The first is more than a rumour.
The second had a chequered history of rudeness and arrogance and psychotic behaviour dating back to days in a town in western NSW in the early 90's.......interesting hey?
With all due respects golow, I would like to know how many QF mates you have? There are 2200 guys at the moment in QF, and I can tell you alot don't think along those lines.
It's all about protecting conditions of service, the same thing that a few of the now J* guys fought for in 89, but now they have done a 180.Go figure?
No wind up intended here either big W, just stating facts.
The second had a chequered history of rudeness and arrogance and psychotic behaviour dating back to days in a town in western NSW in the early 90's.......interesting hey?
With all due respects golow, I would like to know how many QF mates you have? There are 2200 guys at the moment in QF, and I can tell you alot don't think along those lines.
It's all about protecting conditions of service, the same thing that a few of the now J* guys fought for in 89, but now they have done a 180.Go figure?
No wind up intended here either big W, just stating facts.
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Pete mate, calm down. You are going to pop a vein. I know a few blokes in QF, not 2200 of my very closest mates like yourself, but there's a few who made it into QF that would wouldn't leave alone in a room with a box of matches if you expected the place to be intact when you returned. The standards are not as high as you might like to imagine. They have the power of choice. Simple.
Oh yeah, you will find that there's a few good aussie gals among the 2200 unhappy guys in QF if you take the time to look.
cheers
GJ
Oh yeah, you will find that there's a few good aussie gals among the 2200 unhappy guys in QF if you take the time to look.
cheers
GJ
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Tunguska.
Looks like your post may have hit a raw nerve or several and has been removed.
Wouldnt have anything to do with one person doing over 50 hours of police interviews in a NSW town back in the nineties?
I dont know who the other is but it may have to do with someone being asked to leave another airline after certain truths were revealed about quals regarding a physics course.
Perhaps you can verify this Pete.
Looks like your post may have hit a raw nerve or several and has been removed.
Wouldnt have anything to do with one person doing over 50 hours of police interviews in a NSW town back in the nineties?
I dont know who the other is but it may have to do with someone being asked to leave another airline after certain truths were revealed about quals regarding a physics course.
Perhaps you can verify this Pete.