Standards @ QF
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Prince, kaba baik. Terema kaseh bunya.
Yorik (Yousillik) Hunt said, "I care not about his background or his culture," - but it's "culture" that is the subject of this particular debate. (I've mentioned to you previously, on another thread, that your lateral thinking is sadly lacking. Concentrate on improving it!)
And then let's move on to your "responsibility" issue..
Well pal, these are the issues that YOU constantly raise. IPG are the bane of your life at the moment, because of the perceived future financial threat you presume they are.
AIPA is YOUR representative with your employer - now IF what you say....'most Qantas pilots feel about the situation."...is factual, then you shouldn't have ANY problem in making your representative lodge a grievance with your employer.
But, more than likely - as evidenced by your track record here on PPRuNe - you are making unsubstantiated statements to try to put some weight behind your vitriol.
Once again, you're using other people (most Qantas pilots) to avoid accepting personal responsibilty, and to AVOID taking any action YOURSELF ie. lacks taking control/lacks command responsibility.
If, IN FACT, what you state WERE true, then there would be a lot more support for your argued cause here on PPRuNe.
The FACT is, it AIN'T (true)!!
You are a sad. lone voice bleating loudly here.
How about demonstrating some reasonable, intellectual debating qualities here, instead of your verballic, diarrhoeiaic, diatribe.
Yorik (Yousillik) Hunt said, "I care not about his background or his culture," - but it's "culture" that is the subject of this particular debate. (I've mentioned to you previously, on another thread, that your lateral thinking is sadly lacking. Concentrate on improving it!)
And then let's move on to your "responsibility" issue..
what personal responsibility should I bear...towards IPG? AIPA and QANTAS
AIPA is YOUR representative with your employer - now IF what you say....'most Qantas pilots feel about the situation."...is factual, then you shouldn't have ANY problem in making your representative lodge a grievance with your employer.
But, more than likely - as evidenced by your track record here on PPRuNe - you are making unsubstantiated statements to try to put some weight behind your vitriol.
Once again, you're using other people (most Qantas pilots) to avoid accepting personal responsibilty, and to AVOID taking any action YOURSELF ie. lacks taking control/lacks command responsibility.
If, IN FACT, what you state WERE true, then there would be a lot more support for your argued cause here on PPRuNe.
The FACT is, it AIN'T (true)!!
You are a sad. lone voice bleating loudly here.
How about demonstrating some reasonable, intellectual debating qualities here, instead of your verballic, diarrhoeiaic, diatribe.
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OK OK, now that we all seem to have agreed that QF is Dr Evil, Jetstar is Mini-me, and that rose petals should be thrown at the feet of all other operators, can we move on to another topic?????
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Are you taking drugs, Kraaaaapin? Because with some of your conclusions, I'm amazed you havent included pink elephants in your pathetic discussion. It is worthless arguing with you. I'm with dutch roll. You are making me
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Yorik and Pete, I've come to really like you both. I always so look forward to reading your posts. They truely amuse me.
Yorik, what you could have done to help both yourselves and the IPG is really simple: you could have lobbied the AIPA to include all pilots in subsiduries. You could have discussed the isssues with other pilots in QF and stood candidates for AIPA election to ensure that you had an association management that was going to help those at Impulse. For the mutual benefit of all pilots under the QF umbrela. BUT YOU DID NOT!! And now it has come back to bite you.
I think that you must be Blind Freddy if you can't see that the IPG were going to lose their jobs if they didn't make some sort of deal with QF management. Think I'm wrong? Historical evidence comes from the treatment of Southern and AWOPS pilots by Dixon, et al. Fact of the matter is that IPG as a group successfully improved their position at a time when AIPA couldn't give a stuff about them.
You.ve spent hours and hours talking utter crap about standards at Impulse. The reality is that the pilots there have to meet a standard not at all dissimilar to standards that are provided at QF and myriad other places. You endlessly bleat on and on about the high standards of QF selection process and it just makes me laugh. This issue has been done to death by others and I am not going to repeat what many others have already said regarding the hit-and-miss nature of QF testing. Failure to gain entry in to QF is no indication of lack of ability at all.
It's evident that your real beef should be with QF management. Jetstar DOES and WILL effect your future earning potential and command prospects. Why dont you continue your tirade against the real villans; Dixon and Jackson??
Yorik, what you could have done to help both yourselves and the IPG is really simple: you could have lobbied the AIPA to include all pilots in subsiduries. You could have discussed the isssues with other pilots in QF and stood candidates for AIPA election to ensure that you had an association management that was going to help those at Impulse. For the mutual benefit of all pilots under the QF umbrela. BUT YOU DID NOT!! And now it has come back to bite you.
I think that you must be Blind Freddy if you can't see that the IPG were going to lose their jobs if they didn't make some sort of deal with QF management. Think I'm wrong? Historical evidence comes from the treatment of Southern and AWOPS pilots by Dixon, et al. Fact of the matter is that IPG as a group successfully improved their position at a time when AIPA couldn't give a stuff about them.
You.ve spent hours and hours talking utter crap about standards at Impulse. The reality is that the pilots there have to meet a standard not at all dissimilar to standards that are provided at QF and myriad other places. You endlessly bleat on and on about the high standards of QF selection process and it just makes me laugh. This issue has been done to death by others and I am not going to repeat what many others have already said regarding the hit-and-miss nature of QF testing. Failure to gain entry in to QF is no indication of lack of ability at all.
It's evident that your real beef should be with QF management. Jetstar DOES and WILL effect your future earning potential and command prospects. Why dont you continue your tirade against the real villans; Dixon and Jackson??
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Hi Ralph. What makes you think I didn't lobby AIPA on the subject? I did. So did a lot of others. Deaf ears. Still deaf too, I believe.
I have no doubt that they would have lost their jobs if they had not prostituted themselves. Problem now is Ralph, we just might lose ours. Don't think that anyone in Australian aviation who earns more than Jetscab is safe. We arent.
My problem with these guys is that they did ZERO to improve their lot. Like gutless worms, they offered themselves for the exact same rate as they were receiving. That is truly ABOMINABLE.
I know a few guys at Impulse. They should not be in command of a 717, let alone an A320 or a Cessna 152.
My beef is with both QF management for telling us all that we are worth less and less, and with the IPG for being gutless, spineless, pathetic weasels.
I have no doubt that they would have lost their jobs if they had not prostituted themselves. Problem now is Ralph, we just might lose ours. Don't think that anyone in Australian aviation who earns more than Jetscab is safe. We arent.
My problem with these guys is that they did ZERO to improve their lot. Like gutless worms, they offered themselves for the exact same rate as they were receiving. That is truly ABOMINABLE.
I know a few guys at Impulse. They should not be in command of a 717, let alone an A320 or a Cessna 152.
My beef is with both QF management for telling us all that we are worth less and less, and with the IPG for being gutless, spineless, pathetic weasels.
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Chuck/yorik multiple personality disorder.
The JPC out smarted you and got the gig. You lost. Act like a child all you want, sink to all levels. Who cares.
I will take the liberty of a lash Yorik style. You pathetic twit, how sweet it is to know that you are so angry at so many thing's KEEP IT UP! Keep that blood Px up and do us all a favour....
The JPC out smarted you and got the gig. You lost. Act like a child all you want, sink to all levels. Who cares.
I will take the liberty of a lash Yorik style. You pathetic twit, how sweet it is to know that you are so angry at so many thing's KEEP IT UP! Keep that blood Px up and do us all a favour....
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Yorik Hunt
No. After eight years in the Fleet Air Arm, and other sundry occupations since, I've learnt to distinguish between those who are 'fair dinkum' and those who are full of bull$hit.
I don't spend much time on the flight deck these days. But I'd be worried if, as SLF, flight deck crew were distracted by issues unrelated to the job at hand - i.e. flying the aeroplane!
And it's generally accepted in the early 21st Century that size bears little relationship to satisfaction.
Got something to worry about?
I don't spend much time on the flight deck these days. But I'd be worried if, as SLF, flight deck crew were distracted by issues unrelated to the job at hand - i.e. flying the aeroplane!
And it's generally accepted in the early 21st Century that size bears little relationship to satisfaction.
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I'm pleased to note that your first contribution to this discussion is one of personal abuse.
Perhaps you'd like to try again.
I'm pleased to note that your first contribution to this discussion is one of personal abuse.
Perhaps you'd like to try again.
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