John Howard use of ASY1 callsign
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Correct me if I'm wrong, I was only a yung-un at the time, but after the "dismissal", wasn't there a general election where the electorate voted for the Coalition? Or was there another "conspiracy" that I missed?
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farqueue, tell me where in the constitution it refers to a CinC? I'm with scratchy butt, get a grip
68. The command in chief of the naval and military forces of the Commonwealth is vested in the Governor-General as the Queen's representative
So technically the Quuen is the CinC with GG using the power.
The Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act, point #6 says that "The States" shall mean the colonies of New South Wales, New Zealand, Queensland, (etc, etc)." Interesting...
WA had a voted overwhelmingly to seceed in the 1933 referendum but got rolled again by the British and Australian parliaments .
oh.. and who cares about a callsign?!
Finally, the real strength of having a GG is not the power he has. It's the power he stops others (such as a president) having.
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You must be
(a) male
(b) white
(c) from QLD (ok that bit is more obvious)
(d) Christian
The coalition govt have done a good job of riding on the coat tails of the most recent ALP govt... but I digress
John Howard, et al, are bring us closer to the US Republican style of far right extremist-Christian-controlled oppressive intolerant societies. This year's election is the only chance we have to avoid a much more important issue than the economy.
ps. ASY1 - yeah, I had a laugh too (did any ATC notice the juxtaposition in field 18 of the PM and Captain's names, and his mobile #? haha), but JH probably had nothing to do with it, more likely initiated from Washington or the Governator's place via the RAAF.
You must be
(a) male
(b) white
(c) from QLD (ok that bit is more obvious)
(d) Christian
The coalition govt have done a good job of riding on the coat tails of the most recent ALP govt... but I digress
John Howard, et al, are bring us closer to the US Republican style of far right extremist-Christian-controlled oppressive intolerant societies. This year's election is the only chance we have to avoid a much more important issue than the economy.
ps. ASY1 - yeah, I had a laugh too (did any ATC notice the juxtaposition in field 18 of the PM and Captain's names, and his mobile #? haha), but JH probably had nothing to do with it, more likely initiated from Washington or the Governator's place via the RAAF.
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Who signs the bills the parliament passes? Who do you swear alliegence (sic) to
Ferris you'll find the Reserve Powers of the GG here if you're really interested.
Note the words "in accordance with Ministerial advice " and "Governor-General... is regarded as above party politics and ... to remain impartial". The Reserve Powers centre on a need to maintain political order and national administration and satisfy a requirement for expeditious removal of doubt pertaining to government of the nation.
Do you still think the GG's "in charge" because if so I just cannot be bothered trying anymore.
Hope you get your booze permit sorted before you find yourself in a basement with a red billiard ball in ya mouth mate........
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Hugh, and others, if you are not interested- fine. Don't read the thread.
Itchybum.
Yes.
So which Minister did John Kerr take advice from?
Great, either the Queen or her representitive. Neither of whom are 'in charge' according to you.
Surely the nation is mature enough to maintain it's own order and administration? I mean, if it's just ceremonial, what difference does it make, right?
For those who wonder why it grates on me about the callsign; because Little Johnny is an (alleged) monarchist. He should acknowledge this fact all the time , like when deciding who is to open the olympics etc. If he considers himself the nation's leader, then do so on paper and allow the nation to become a Republic. Isn't anyone else sick of pollies doing one thing whilst saying another?
Itchybum.
Do these ceremonial functons mean the GG is "in-charge
Note the words "in accordance with Ministerial advice "
members joining the ADF have the choice to swear allegiance to The Queen OR the GG
a need to maintain political order and national administration
For those who wonder why it grates on me about the callsign; because Little Johnny is an (alleged) monarchist. He should acknowledge this fact all the time , like when deciding who is to open the olympics etc. If he considers himself the nation's leader, then do so on paper and allow the nation to become a Republic. Isn't anyone else sick of pollies doing one thing whilst saying another?
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....give me strength
Mate................ (Sighhhhhhhh...........)
Ostensibly, NO minister. That line doesn't apply to the Reserve Powers. Did you read it???
If the queen came out and opened the olympics, do you think the majority of the electorate would've been happy? Howard may be a monarchist (he's entitled to an opinion) but that doesn't mean he's STUPID, unlike certain other people.
Use your brain, man... you REALLY think the GG is in charge? Well what can I say to you then. And people say voting is a RIGHT but there're so many knuckleheads out there with no idea of how to wield it and no idea how the gov't they're influencing actually functions.
Personally I don't care a hoot about the callsign or the monarchy but ferris's drunken ravings present a personal challenge I just can't ignore, however hard I try although he's wearing me down.
Ostensibly, NO minister. That line doesn't apply to the Reserve Powers. Did you read it???
If the queen came out and opened the olympics, do you think the majority of the electorate would've been happy? Howard may be a monarchist (he's entitled to an opinion) but that doesn't mean he's STUPID, unlike certain other people.
Use your brain, man... you REALLY think the GG is in charge? Well what can I say to you then. And people say voting is a RIGHT but there're so many knuckleheads out there with no idea of how to wield it and no idea how the gov't they're influencing actually functions.
Personally I don't care a hoot about the callsign or the monarchy but ferris's drunken ravings present a personal challenge I just can't ignore, however hard I try although he's wearing me down.
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Ostensibly, NO minister. That line doesn't apply to the Reserve Powers
If the queen came out and opened the olympics, do you think the majority of the electorate would've been happy?
Also, it might bring it to the people's attention exactly who is in charge. Correct?
Use your brain, man... you REALLY think the GG is in charge?
Personally I don't care a hoot about the callsign or the monarchy
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Small country syndrome must be hell in the sand pit. All those bullies picking on you because the majority of Australians still prefer a Monarchial state...hmmm...must be hell.
Why change it? Works ok, no civil wars, autonomy, knighthoods, terrific public holidays! Unless you're someone who has an inbuilt inferiority complex & believes that we won't be taken seriously by the rest of the world until we are a Republic? Who gives a rats what the rest of the world thinks...it's sweet down here!
So why argue to keep it?
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because the majority of Australians still prefer a Monarchial state
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Well, that's fantastic news there ferris! Danny will be pleased that the majority of Australians read Pprune!
You wouldn't be happy unless we had a referendum every year, until a Republic was voted for, now would you?
You wouldn't be happy unless we had a referendum every year, until a Republic was voted for, now would you?
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Well Buster (adopting similar smart-arse tone), I think you'll find there that the majority of the Australian public are in favour of a republic. If the referendum wasn't a loaded question you would have your answer. Hopefully Latham will have a crack when he gets in.
I'd be happy if the monarchists just stopped lying and deceiving, ala Little Johnny.
you would have your answer. Hopefully Latham will have a crack when he gets in.I'd be happy if the monarchists just stopped lying and deceiving, ala Little Johnny.
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God bless those honest hard working Republicans, who wouldn't even think to stretch the truth for their own cause. Why, oh why are we so blind? Well ferris (adopting similar brainwashed rhetoric) did we ever get to vote on a perfect Republican model? Did Hawke (there's a man you can look up to!) ever put one forward? Did Keating (ditto) ever put one forward? What about the "great man" himself? If you're going to play politics on the issue, they'd have to be your role models, why didn't they put forward a perfect model for a Republic?
Please...educate me.
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I couldn't give a rats about the politics of it. There are monarchists and republicans on both sides. The monarchists ran a dishonest campaign, and it had the desired effect.
Why not make the matter simple? A simple yes/no on the question of do you want a republic? Then, once that gets up, another ballot on the half-dozen models proposed. Simple majority has it.
What monarchist, who has the courage of his convictions, would disagree? Let me guess......someone like Little Johnny who wants to pretend he's the head of state when it suits him?
Why not make the matter simple? A simple yes/no on the question of do you want a republic? Then, once that gets up, another ballot on the half-dozen models proposed. Simple majority has it.
What monarchist, who has the courage of his convictions, would disagree? Let me guess......someone like Little Johnny who wants to pretend he's the head of state when it suits him?
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ferris... it's not that simple. If I voted for a republic I'd also want to know what TYPE of republic. As you point out we didn't elect John Howard - the politicians did. Would that change if we had a republic?
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Yeah, good point. I realise a lot of people would only vote yes if they knew what the end model would look like. Maybe tie the yes vote to a choice of 2 models ie. your yes vote will only count if the model you choose gets up? I think it would get up now even if there was only one option, say direct election. Every year it gets closer- as all the old monarchists drop off the perch. One day, one day........
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Republic by attrition? I think you're missing the point ferris.
For the record, I am a Monarchist...at the moment. I will vote for a Republic when & if the model is right for me. Slurring the names of your opponents, because you didn't like the result only detracts from your argument.
Come up with a real model, a sensible system and absolute proof that every Australian will be better off under the system & you've won me. So far, I've yet to see anything remotely like this.
Good luck.
For the record, I am a Monarchist...at the moment. I will vote for a Republic when & if the model is right for me. Slurring the names of your opponents, because you didn't like the result only detracts from your argument.
Come up with a real model, a sensible system and absolute proof that every Australian will be better off under the system & you've won me. So far, I've yet to see anything remotely like this.
Good luck.