Perth Traffic Holding
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Perth Traffic Holding
Is this a sign that Perth is getting busier ??
Or is it the Stars are getting longer and more convoluted
I just love the 1 hour of peak traffic
Notam C192/04 REVIEW C191/04
TFC HOLDING FUEL ADVISORY 10 MIN
FROM 05 240130 TO 10 280230 EST
0130 - 0230 MON TO THU
Or is it the Stars are getting longer and more convoluted
I just love the 1 hour of peak traffic
Notam C192/04 REVIEW C191/04
TFC HOLDING FUEL ADVISORY 10 MIN
FROM 05 240130 TO 10 280230 EST
0130 - 0230 MON TO THU
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We can all blame National jet for that duzzy. A number of weeks ago, a spat over the radio from a NJ 146 at ATC over being told to expect 1 holding pattern for sequencing. Nice going guys, no one likes being slowed or held but hey, life goes on.
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Actually the term is "Runway Capacity". The simple definition being the ability to get as many aircraft on and off the runway/s as possible with due recognition of "safety".
Artificially restricting runway capacity as was done at Sydney in 1987/88 and onwards now manifests itself as "slot times, curfews" and "movement caps" as a political solution to an operational problem.
As my old military driving instructer would say
"If you can't handle it, park it"
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Artificially restricting runway capacity as was done at Sydney in 1987/88 and onwards now manifests itself as "slot times, curfews" and "movement caps" as a political solution to an operational problem.
As my old military driving instructer would say
"If you can't handle it, park it"
Ding
If that F#kker woulds stop doing crash and goes, there'd be a bit more time for the rest of us to get a landing in! You guys get 5 abreast in that thing?! Geez it must be tight!
Talk about favourtism! "Break Break, Fokker 50 200nm from Perth inbound at 120G/S, all other aircraft commence right hand patterns!".
Talk about favourtism! "Break Break, Fokker 50 200nm from Perth inbound at 120G/S, all other aircraft commence right hand patterns!".
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Don't know what you fly or who you work for, shouldbefishin, but the oufit I work for don't take kindly to us carrying around full tanks wherever we go, it costs money to tanker fuel ( in a big aeroplane ),it also costs money to go around in circles, and half the time we are restricted by ZFW,RTOW,MTOW or MLW. Which generally leaves enough room for fixed/variable reserve ( obviously ) and hopefully a little contingency fuel, this is for missed approaches, disabled A/c on runway, unforeseen wx but not ATC INCOMPETENCE .
Ask anyone who has flown outside of Perth how they rate Perth ATC, the answer is always the same " second best controllers in the world............................everyone else is the best ".
When you go into LHR or LAX or even SY you can kinda except it , but Perth !! Come on, half a dozen bugsmashers and a few jets on a cavok day and it all turns to crap.
Probably the most infuriating things are, large ( 80+ IAS ) changes in speed at the last minute ( i'm convinced ATC think it's like driving a car ) resulting in pax and sometimes pilot, discomfort ( tried to get a real slippery machine down in a hurry at best glide speed ? ), hang on, I thought you identified us at 160nm, whats changed, certainly not our speed, what the hell are all those blips on the screen telling you ?? I thought it was speed, direction etc, but obviously not.
Big S turns at relatively low altitude, oooh yeh, the pax love that and it makes atc seem so professional.( oh yes, they know it's ATC 'cause I tell them )
Holding, when there is no advisory of holding in the notams ( until now ) then when you finally arrive on approach, there is at most one maybe 2 other A/C on frequency and the closest one lands before you even turn final.
Thank the Lord I don't fly in there much ( anymore ) my normally low blood pressure could'nt take it.
And finally, mr " life goes on " would you be so casual about it if you owned the company that quoted on a fixed price charter, with stuff all profit,that flies in/out of Perth 5 times a week ? how much do you reckon a holding pattern costs in a Dash8/Brazillia/ or even a Metro ?
To the NJS guy/guys responsible, bluddy good on ya !
Ask anyone who has flown outside of Perth how they rate Perth ATC, the answer is always the same " second best controllers in the world............................everyone else is the best ".
When you go into LHR or LAX or even SY you can kinda except it , but Perth !! Come on, half a dozen bugsmashers and a few jets on a cavok day and it all turns to crap.
Probably the most infuriating things are, large ( 80+ IAS ) changes in speed at the last minute ( i'm convinced ATC think it's like driving a car ) resulting in pax and sometimes pilot, discomfort ( tried to get a real slippery machine down in a hurry at best glide speed ? ), hang on, I thought you identified us at 160nm, whats changed, certainly not our speed, what the hell are all those blips on the screen telling you ?? I thought it was speed, direction etc, but obviously not.
Big S turns at relatively low altitude, oooh yeh, the pax love that and it makes atc seem so professional.( oh yes, they know it's ATC 'cause I tell them )
Holding, when there is no advisory of holding in the notams ( until now ) then when you finally arrive on approach, there is at most one maybe 2 other A/C on frequency and the closest one lands before you even turn final.
Thank the Lord I don't fly in there much ( anymore ) my normally low blood pressure could'nt take it.
And finally, mr " life goes on " would you be so casual about it if you owned the company that quoted on a fixed price charter, with stuff all profit,that flies in/out of Perth 5 times a week ? how much do you reckon a holding pattern costs in a Dash8/Brazillia/ or even a Metro ?
To the NJS guy/guys responsible, bluddy good on ya !
