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I think we all agree that taxiing in an unfamiliar environ can be a tad confusing. I remember a few confusing moments taxing at MIA (Miami international) and in Asia at unfamiliar airports.
Anybody slagging these guys for this should make sure that they never make a mistake themselves; and if you cannot guarantee that, then you may wish to hold back your unconstructive criticism. Remember your CRM training boys—we cannot all be mondays experts and put yourself in the seat after a full analysis!
Also what are the facts. Crew fatigue???? What may seem a simply instruction when we look back, sitting all comfortable in our houses, may get misinterpreted after flying all day. I remember many “Commanders Discretion” days when I have felt Fu*ked! What was read back to the ATC? There are heaps of things they we may not be privy to. I will say that taxing can lead to disastrous outcomes, so I’m in no way endorsing this as a minor issue. Just ask SQ about their shinny B744!
Aussie pilots (especially the know it alls who have never flown anywhere but Oz) can be such knockers! I guess you cannot help the odd poke from the QF boys, but I suspect most people sticking it at the crew are GA aero club know it alls!
Ps Im an Aussie!
Anybody slagging these guys for this should make sure that they never make a mistake themselves; and if you cannot guarantee that, then you may wish to hold back your unconstructive criticism. Remember your CRM training boys—we cannot all be mondays experts and put yourself in the seat after a full analysis!
Also what are the facts. Crew fatigue???? What may seem a simply instruction when we look back, sitting all comfortable in our houses, may get misinterpreted after flying all day. I remember many “Commanders Discretion” days when I have felt Fu*ked! What was read back to the ATC? There are heaps of things they we may not be privy to. I will say that taxing can lead to disastrous outcomes, so I’m in no way endorsing this as a minor issue. Just ask SQ about their shinny B744!
Aussie pilots (especially the know it alls who have never flown anywhere but Oz) can be such knockers! I guess you cannot help the odd poke from the QF boys, but I suspect most people sticking it at the crew are GA aero club know it alls!
Ps Im an Aussie!
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Lighten up!!!
Hey blokes. Lighten up!!! Buster and HA have the right idea. Sheesh....nothing wrong with a light-hearted thread here and then......................H
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Whilst I agree this is not exactly front page news, I guess it may not have been so funny if it was a runway incursion 
As has been pointed out already this is not an ab-initio after his/her first solo, this is a professional crew in a big shiny one.
Is anybody suggesting that neither of them have been to DN before ?
Has this anything to do with the CASA BN office not requiring VB to have route endortsements ?
As has been pointed out already this is not an ab-initio after his/her first solo, this is a professional crew in a big shiny one.
Is anybody suggesting that neither of them have been to DN before ?
Has this anything to do with the CASA BN office not requiring VB to have route endortsements ?
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My two cents
G'day all. Although yes, the VB crew is meant to be professional etc etc I have seen quite a few people in Darwin miss taxiways or go the wrong way who are based there! It happen sometimes.
On the flip side, if the RAAF and DIA want to play the 'let's run an international airport' game, then for crying out loud act like it! Get bloody MAG signs! This debate has been going on for ages, and yet incidents like this keep happening. What is done? - squat!
Hope all is wel up there. Cheers,
NFR.
PS. It would have only made the NT news if the aircraft had swerved off the taxiway to avoid a brother with a croc during a cyclone!
On the flip side, if the RAAF and DIA want to play the 'let's run an international airport' game, then for crying out loud act like it! Get bloody MAG signs! This debate has been going on for ages, and yet incidents like this keep happening. What is done? - squat!
Hope all is wel up there. Cheers,
NFR.
PS. It would have only made the NT news if the aircraft had swerved off the taxiway to avoid a brother with a croc during a cyclone!
Lame,
Could you really back a 727? I've heard (and seen..bloody disgusting, it was) a Herc do a reverse park, but a 727??
Could you really back a 727? I've heard (and seen..bloody disgusting, it was) a Herc do a reverse park, but a 727??
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It wasn't actually a reverse park, just like this one in Darwin, they headed in towards the GA apron, instead of going up to the Airline bays. 
There was nowhere to turnround, and no tow bar in TSV for the 727, so they reversed it about 100 feet.
It is not normally encouraged due to FOD.
In the USA they routinely reverse MD 80s out of terminal bays, well they did at DFW when I saw them back in the early 1990s.
There was nowhere to turnround, and no tow bar in TSV for the 727, so they reversed it about 100 feet.
It is not normally encouraged due to FOD.
In the USA they routinely reverse MD 80s out of terminal bays, well they did at DFW when I saw them back in the early 1990s.
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I'll back you up there lame. Saw CO doing it at IAH around the same time. MD80's & 727's, quite a racket but fascinating to watch.
Back in the '80's after the KAL007 shootdown, BA ground staff refused pushback a Aeroflot IL-62 of T2 at LHR, so they did it themselves with no warning, the LHR authorities weren't happy with the result to say the least.
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BLOGGS, Please explain why backing a Herc is "disgusting" ?
SMP521-4 and/or AFM references or antedotes from your personal Herc experience are preferred...
HJ
(Have seen plenty of 72s backed... never flown one so don't know what Snr Boeing said about it in the FCTM...)
SMP521-4 and/or AFM references or antedotes from your personal Herc experience are preferred...
HJ
(Have seen plenty of 72s backed... never flown one so don't know what Snr Boeing said about it in the FCTM...)
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Saw a DC8 reverse out from the terminal in BNE one morning. 
During the "you know what" in 1989.
The American Captain (Arrow Air from memory) came in too close to the finger, and ended up with his wing (the wing of the DC8)almost touching a light pole.
When I asked him how we were going to get it out again without a tow bar even, he just laughed and said "we do this all the time in the States, we will just back out".
And he did, caused quite a mess on the tarmac, but he did it.
During the "you know what" in 1989.
The American Captain (Arrow Air from memory) came in too close to the finger, and ended up with his wing (the wing of the DC8)almost touching a light pole.
When I asked him how we were going to get it out again without a tow bar even, he just laughed and said "we do this all the time in the States, we will just back out".
And he did, caused quite a mess on the tarmac, but he did it.
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Now you've done it Buster, an open invitation for all the '89ers to destroy the thread - not to mention Lame attacking AN for the demise of both Compass attempts!! 
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TheNightOwl.
Kind regards,
TheNightOwl.
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No problems reversing a 727, but you better make sure you don't hit anything !
An Ansett Captain reversed a 727 out of the aero-dock in Sydney one afternoon. They were delayed, awaiting some late pax baggage and the tug driver decided it was afternoon tea time. Not to be intimidated by a card carrying TWU heavy, the Captain advised the AN ground engineers he would be reversing out under ship's power.
It was successful and the aircraft departed some 20 minutes late. However, by the time VH-RMZ arrived in MEL, the TWU had blackbanned it from all TWU activities for 24 hours. The aircraft was unloaded by AN traffic staff and couldn't be re-fuelled or towed for the next 24 hours.
Our Company B727 AFM does not have a procedure, but I recall Pratt & Whitney having an EPR limit for static reverse thrust. Don't ask me the figure - maybe a 727 lame is around who can jog the memory bank?
An Ansett Captain reversed a 727 out of the aero-dock in Sydney one afternoon. They were delayed, awaiting some late pax baggage and the tug driver decided it was afternoon tea time. Not to be intimidated by a card carrying TWU heavy, the Captain advised the AN ground engineers he would be reversing out under ship's power.
It was successful and the aircraft departed some 20 minutes late. However, by the time VH-RMZ arrived in MEL, the TWU had blackbanned it from all TWU activities for 24 hours. The aircraft was unloaded by AN traffic staff and couldn't be re-fuelled or towed for the next 24 hours.
Our Company B727 AFM does not have a procedure, but I recall Pratt & Whitney having an EPR limit for static reverse thrust. Don't ask me the figure - maybe a 727 lame is around who can jog the memory bank?
Probably a good thing they don't operate below Cat 1 minima!
Keep the Vb amateur hour operations away from the airports I operate at please. While this event had a humourous outcome, runway incursions elsewhere have not.
'Virgin xxx, clear to taxi via the Stuart Highway & Knuckey st to runway 11'
Keep the Vb amateur hour operations away from the airports I operate at please. While this event had a humourous outcome, runway incursions elsewhere have not.
'Virgin xxx, clear to taxi via the Stuart Highway & Knuckey st to runway 11'
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Fark me... This post is getting worse than the bitchen in GA if that is at all possible.
Yes it is serious, yes I am sure that measures will be put in place to investigate how it happened, yes I am sure that a very young company learnt from the experience.
Or then again pull the AOC, ground em they are totally unsafe...
Wake up and smell the roses... If VB hadn't of come to AUS QF would still be flying around 733's and we would still be paying ridiculous airfares... Pilots would not have been given a chace to fly for an airline and would still wait 10 years to become an FO.
If they are as unsafe as alleged don't ya just think CASA may have a thing or two to say?
Don't b*tch about cr*p...
BTW I have now cleared out the parking area out the front. So if you would like to deliver the 73 tonight it would make for a good start to a Thursday... Just watch out for the light towers on those beautiful winglets... Please activate the emergency slides as I can't find the stairs... or will the extention ladder be sufficient?
Yes it is serious, yes I am sure that measures will be put in place to investigate how it happened, yes I am sure that a very young company learnt from the experience.
Or then again pull the AOC, ground em they are totally unsafe...
Wake up and smell the roses... If VB hadn't of come to AUS QF would still be flying around 733's and we would still be paying ridiculous airfares... Pilots would not have been given a chace to fly for an airline and would still wait 10 years to become an FO.
If they are as unsafe as alleged don't ya just think CASA may have a thing or two to say?
Don't b*tch about cr*p...
BTW I have now cleared out the parking area out the front. So if you would like to deliver the 73 tonight it would make for a good start to a Thursday... Just watch out for the light towers on those beautiful winglets... Please activate the emergency slides as I can't find the stairs... or will the extention ladder be sufficient?
Herc Jerk,
I profess to know nothing about hercs except that they are big, fat and ugly!
. I rode in them 20 times: 20 times too many! I shot a couple down (pretend), and saw one do a reverse park once: 
More crap and corruption (read smoke and noise) than a steam engine at full tilt!
I'll always remember the TopGun scene where the boss says "you'll be harlln darg sh$t outta Harng Karng!". He was talking about flying Herc's was'nt he?
I profess to know nothing about hercs except that they are big, fat and ugly!
. I rode in them 20 times: 20 times too many! I shot a couple down (pretend), and saw one do a reverse park once: More crap and corruption (read smoke and noise) than a steam engine at full tilt!I'll always remember the TopGun scene where the boss says "you'll be harlln darg sh$t outta Harng Karng!". He was talking about flying Herc's was'nt he?