Travolta still keen on Qantas
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This info was posted some time ago on another thread. Seems an appropriate time to post it again. It shows the value of an airline having a good PR department. 
Put up your hand all of you who believe Qantas has never had a passenger fatality. OK. Put your hands down now. You lot are WRONG!
Qantas have been littering the countryside with wrecked aircraft and dead passengers for a long time.
A search through www.planecrashinfo.com reveals the following info about Qantas' fatalities:
de Havilland DH-9C G-AUED 24 Mar 1927 - 3 died
de Havilland DH-86 VH-USG 15 Nov 1934 - 4 died
de Havilland DH-86 VH-USE 20 Feb 1942 - 9 died
Short S-23 (flying boat) VH-ADU 22 Apr 1943 - 13 died
Lockheed 18 Lodestar VH-CAB 26 Nov 1943 - 15 died
Short S-23 (flying boat) VH-ABB 11 Oct 1944 - 1 died
Lancastrian VH-EAS 07 April 1949 - 0 died
de Havilland Drover II VH-EBQ 16 Jul 1951 - 7 died
Lockheed L1049 VH-EAC 24 August 1960 - 0 died
Boeing B747 VH-OJH 22 September 1999 - 0 died
Also, there is an article about the L1049 crash at Mauritius at http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/fsa/do...0jan/page49.pdf where it mentions that on 23 March 1946 a Lancastrian G-AGLX operated by Qantas with 5 crew and 5 passengers went missing on a flight between Colombo and Cocos Is. and no trace of it was ever found.
I must admit to once believing that Qantas had a perfect safety record. This shows the power of selecting only the statistics you want. I think Qantas start counting from 1952 onwards. A bit like the White Star Line ruling a line just after the Titanic and counting from there.
Qantas do have a good record, but it is not as perfect as some people would have you believe.
Qantas have been littering the countryside with wrecked aircraft and dead passengers for a long time.
A search through www.planecrashinfo.com reveals the following info about Qantas' fatalities:
de Havilland DH-9C G-AUED 24 Mar 1927 - 3 died
de Havilland DH-86 VH-USG 15 Nov 1934 - 4 died
de Havilland DH-86 VH-USE 20 Feb 1942 - 9 died
Short S-23 (flying boat) VH-ADU 22 Apr 1943 - 13 died
Lockheed 18 Lodestar VH-CAB 26 Nov 1943 - 15 died
Short S-23 (flying boat) VH-ABB 11 Oct 1944 - 1 died
Lancastrian VH-EAS 07 April 1949 - 0 died
de Havilland Drover II VH-EBQ 16 Jul 1951 - 7 died
Lockheed L1049 VH-EAC 24 August 1960 - 0 died
Boeing B747 VH-OJH 22 September 1999 - 0 died
Also, there is an article about the L1049 crash at Mauritius at http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/fsa/do...0jan/page49.pdf where it mentions that on 23 March 1946 a Lancastrian G-AGLX operated by Qantas with 5 crew and 5 passengers went missing on a flight between Colombo and Cocos Is. and no trace of it was ever found.
I must admit to once believing that Qantas had a perfect safety record. This shows the power of selecting only the statistics you want. I think Qantas start counting from 1952 onwards. A bit like the White Star Line ruling a line just after the Titanic and counting from there.
Qantas do have a good record, but it is not as perfect as some people would have you believe.
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QANTAS either advertised or let it be known, many many years ago, that they had not had a fatality since they became an all jet airline. Still a very good record.
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Indeed, the claim only relates to RPT airline operations with jet aircraft.
Note that three of the fatals were due to enemy action and the only post-war in the Drover was Jul51. That's still not too bad?
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Note that three of the fatals were due to enemy action and the only post-war in the Drover was Jul51. That's still not too bad?
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I know that these are small aircraft operated when aviation was an adventure, to say the least, especially in Papua New Guinea... I've been scared more than once... but here's another one post WW11...
ACCIDENT DATE : 13 December 1951
TYPE : DH84 Dragon
REGISTRATION : VH-URV
OPERATOR : QANTAS
ON BOARD : 1 Crew / 2 Passengers
FATALITIES : 1 Crew / 2 Passengers
LOCATION : Yaramunda, Papua New Guinea
FURTHER DETAILS…
The two passengers were Department of Civil Aviation officials inspecting the new airstrip at Yaramunda. The pilot made a run over Yaramunda strip at a very low altitude, and was forced by the terrain up a gorge from which his Dragon lacked the performance to escape.
SOURCE…
“Balus” The Aeroplane in Papua New Guinea, Volume 1, by James Sinclair. Published in 1986 by Robert Brown and Associates (Aust) Pty. Ltd., PO Box 29 Bathurst, New South Wales 2795, Australia.
I know that these are small aircraft operated when aviation was an adventure, to say the least, especially in Papua New Guinea... I've been scared more than once... but here's another one post WW11...
ACCIDENT DATE : 13 December 1951
TYPE : DH84 Dragon
REGISTRATION : VH-URV
OPERATOR : QANTAS
ON BOARD : 1 Crew / 2 Passengers
FATALITIES : 1 Crew / 2 Passengers
LOCATION : Yaramunda, Papua New Guinea
FURTHER DETAILS…
The two passengers were Department of Civil Aviation officials inspecting the new airstrip at Yaramunda. The pilot made a run over Yaramunda strip at a very low altitude, and was forced by the terrain up a gorge from which his Dragon lacked the performance to escape.
SOURCE…
“Balus” The Aeroplane in Papua New Guinea, Volume 1, by James Sinclair. Published in 1986 by Robert Brown and Associates (Aust) Pty. Ltd., PO Box 29 Bathurst, New South Wales 2795, Australia.
Lusimtingting. I think you may be correct. I was always under the impression Zuydam's aircraft was a Dragon but did see a recent reference to the aircraft being a single Otter.
Interesting enough, that accident isn't listed in Qantas's list of accidents listed by DesertDingo which makes me think the aircraft may have been owned by Madang Air Services, MAL or one of the other operators, on charter to Qantas?
I'll check the facts in "Balus" and with Jim Sinclair or Bobby Gibbes.
DesertDingo. I suspect (from the registration) "Lockheed 18 Lodestar VH-CAB" was not a Qantas aircraft, rather one of the fleet of "military/civil" transports operated by Qantas on behalf of the Commonwealth - as were the DC3 and DC5 "biscuit bombers", operating into PNG, including ex KNILN DC3 VH-CXD (?) which crashed at Bamaga.
Nevertheless, there is no doubt Qantas have an excellent safety record, the envy of many airlines, worldwide.
Interesting enough, that accident isn't listed in Qantas's list of accidents listed by DesertDingo which makes me think the aircraft may have been owned by Madang Air Services, MAL or one of the other operators, on charter to Qantas?
I'll check the facts in "Balus" and with Jim Sinclair or Bobby Gibbes.
DesertDingo. I suspect (from the registration) "Lockheed 18 Lodestar VH-CAB" was not a Qantas aircraft, rather one of the fleet of "military/civil" transports operated by Qantas on behalf of the Commonwealth - as were the DC3 and DC5 "biscuit bombers", operating into PNG, including ex KNILN DC3 VH-CXD (?) which crashed at Bamaga.
Nevertheless, there is no doubt Qantas have an excellent safety record, the envy of many airlines, worldwide.
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As I have indicated previously, and no doubt many agree, highlighting a commercial opponents safety record is awfully poor form. With that in mind, I also have a difficulty in promoting ones own safety record, but for different reasons. There is, literally, nothing wrong with it, I just feel that it's something that shouldn't be used as a selling point.
Granted, the public want to fly on a safe carrier and deserve to know who is, but there should be a mechanism in place where an independant party can illustrate the relative safety of each carrier. Otherwise, it just degenerates into a mines better than yours debate.
Granted, the public want to fly on a safe carrier and deserve to know who is, but there should be a mechanism in place where an independant party can illustrate the relative safety of each carrier. Otherwise, it just degenerates into a mines better than yours debate.
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Folks, note the words carefully in QF's claim/s.
There have been incidents aplenty [& BKK was an accident!
] and charter/aerial work post-WWII fatals are not included.
In this thread and others before, there's been no denial of this by Keg, myself or any other QF employees/supporters. The denial is that QF have apparently lied with their claims; they've been selective [and what's new about that in aviation? Sorry, didn't mean to bring the NAS into this!!
]
G'day
There have been incidents aplenty [& BKK was an accident!
] and charter/aerial work post-WWII fatals are not included. In this thread and others before, there's been no denial of this by Keg, myself or any other QF employees/supporters. The denial is that QF have apparently lied with their claims; they've been selective [and what's new about that in aviation? Sorry, didn't mean to bring the NAS into this!!
]G'day
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Having recently sat through (yet again) the QANTAS/Travolta video special in the cabin, what I really wonder is: Whom is Travolta saluting when he steps out of the cockpit onto the stairs?
And where did he learn to salute?
The USAF? USN? Hollywood???
QANTAS????
Are all the pilots supposed to salute each other in QANTAS? How long does this take? Or is it just the capts? Should I practice??
I have to say, I'd love to have my own 707, JP and all the rest of whatever he owns and flies and I like JT as an actor but all the saluting, standing around with the cap tucked under his arm, etc.... it all made my stomach turn.
I guess only the fabulously wealthy can be so unflinchingly cheesy.
And where did he learn to salute?
The USAF? USN? Hollywood???
QANTAS????
Are all the pilots supposed to salute each other in QANTAS? How long does this take? Or is it just the capts? Should I practice??
I have to say, I'd love to have my own 707, JP and all the rest of whatever he owns and flies and I like JT as an actor but all the saluting, standing around with the cap tucked under his arm, etc.... it all made my stomach turn.
I guess only the fabulously wealthy can be so unflinchingly cheesy.
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And I thought the only way to get into QF was direct entry or cadet. Obviously there is the lesser known "movie star" pathway. Will Eric Bana become a CSM ambassador???
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In the "old" days in Lae the TAA Traffic Officer and cargo line used to line up and "salute" the departure of VH-INU(seless) and VH-INH(opeless), bothe DC6B's. I believe Ansett did the same.
Just trying to stay as efficient as Buster and noticed JT land his 707 on Rwy 25 at Sydney about an hour ago
. Anyone know why he's in town? Could it be ILS recency in the 744 sim .
and noticed JT land his 707 on Rwy 25 at Sydney about an hour ago . Anyone know why he's in town? Could it be ILS recency in the 744 sim .
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Can't let this one go past...
Well, fairly easy, actually. Bunch of ex-UA 744s being offered a few months back at WAY less than that... (like, try half)
Given the impaired value as a highly-repaired hull, doubt whether doing the repair was an economic decision.
aircraft was repaired for a lot less than $100 Mill. Try finding a replacement 744 at that price
Given the impaired value as a highly-repaired hull, doubt whether doing the repair was an economic decision.
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Well, Groaner, as I've pointed out before, it wasn't exactly QF's decision. The insurance paid in full to have it repaired.
Equally, there weren't too many 2nd hand B744 sitting around at the time!!
G'day
Equally, there weren't too many 2nd hand B744 sitting around at the time!!
G'day
Nunc est bibendum
Yeah Groaner and the QF engineers that had a look at those very same UAL B744s sent back some VERY negative press about them. Perhaps thats why they weren't worth much. As Captain feathersword mentions, the market of Sep '99- May '00 is a very different one to that over the last few months!
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I also watched the inflight video whilst feeding my face up the front of a QF B763. Although the shot of JT saluting was brief, I also wondered who he was saluting. I guess its for the camera's and paparazzi; and I suppose it would look good in USA Today?
Personally I’m glad that JT and his crew wear a proper uniform and that he is upholding some the dignity that has been eroded from our profession in recent years. You don’t see other professionals wearing a blue singlet! At least JT talks up the profession instead of dragging down to truck driver level.
Good on him!
Personally I’m glad that JT and his crew wear a proper uniform and that he is upholding some the dignity that has been eroded from our profession in recent years. You don’t see other professionals wearing a blue singlet! At least JT talks up the profession instead of dragging down to truck driver level.
Good on him!
