"Undesirable" SQ Capt forced to leave Singapore
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"Undesirable" SQ Capt forced to leave Singapore
Singapore throws out 'union activist'
7:18 AM April 4
A Malaysian pilot accused of being a union organiser at Singapore Airlines (SIA) lost his last-ditch appeal to retain his permanent residency there and has been given two weeks to leave, media reports said Saturday.
Captain Ryan Goh's personal appeal to keep his status was rejected by Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng, who had earlier described him as an undesirable immigrant, the Today newspaper said.
Mr Goh, who also holds Australian permanent residency rights, told the newspaper he felt "very sad" because he considered Singapore home.
Immigration officials last month stripped Mr Goh of his permanent resident status after he was singled out by Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew for instigating a revolt in the SIA pilots' union over a labour dispute with management.
The unrest led to the ouster of the union's leadership and government warnings against the pilots' confrontational stance.
"How would you feel when you have to leave home? I feel sad, uncertain. It's not like moving from hotel to hotel. It's moving home," Mr Goh told the newspaper.
"I did not go through the appeal process just for the sake of going through the motions. I tried hard to convince the authorities that I was a value-adding resident."
SIA said Mr Goh can no longer work for the carrier.
The airline said it would "make the necessary arrangements with him concerning his cessation of employment with the company," according to the report.
Source: AFP
7:18 AM April 4
A Malaysian pilot accused of being a union organiser at Singapore Airlines (SIA) lost his last-ditch appeal to retain his permanent residency there and has been given two weeks to leave, media reports said Saturday.
Captain Ryan Goh's personal appeal to keep his status was rejected by Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng, who had earlier described him as an undesirable immigrant, the Today newspaper said.
Mr Goh, who also holds Australian permanent residency rights, told the newspaper he felt "very sad" because he considered Singapore home.
Immigration officials last month stripped Mr Goh of his permanent resident status after he was singled out by Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew for instigating a revolt in the SIA pilots' union over a labour dispute with management.
The unrest led to the ouster of the union's leadership and government warnings against the pilots' confrontational stance.
"How would you feel when you have to leave home? I feel sad, uncertain. It's not like moving from hotel to hotel. It's moving home," Mr Goh told the newspaper.
"I did not go through the appeal process just for the sake of going through the motions. I tried hard to convince the authorities that I was a value-adding resident."
SIA said Mr Goh can no longer work for the carrier.
The airline said it would "make the necessary arrangements with him concerning his cessation of employment with the company," according to the report.
Source: AFP
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Always so eager to blame the poor old Malaysians arent they?
I recall a few months ago when a Singapore Airlines B777 ran off the side of runway 04L at Singapore in a downpour the official company press release included words to the effect that the pilot was "a Malaysian Captain".
How altruistic these people must be.
I recall a few months ago when a Singapore Airlines B777 ran off the side of runway 04L at Singapore in a downpour the official company press release included words to the effect that the pilot was "a Malaysian Captain".
How altruistic these people must be.
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I'm not mentioning any names 'cos I'd get into strife with W, but there's a pilot group here in Oz that could do with a confrontationalist in their ranks. Think they should offer this bloke a job?
Might stop 'em from taking the lowest offer around!
Might stop 'em from taking the lowest offer around!
It's not an original concept, as I seem to recall someone by the name of Bob Hawke claiming a certaining group of people to be 'political dissidents', sometime in the late 80's ! 
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Well' that didn't take long.
The 4th response manages to create a connection to the one subject that eventually crops up and ruins most threads.
Oh well, as I said it didn't take long.
W, might as well lock this now and save some time (and bandwidth)
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The 4th response manages to create a connection to the one subject that eventually crops up and ruins most threads.
Oh well, as I said it didn't take long.
W, might as well lock this now and save some time (and bandwidth)
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From an outsiders perspective SQ seems like an fairly unhappy place at present. I was in Singapore recently and saw that nearly everyday there was at least 1 article in the newspaper regarding the SQ crews and there battles with the airline.
Maybe we don't have it so bad here!
Capt Stoobing.
(PS I am not passing an opinion on SQ just stating what I saw)
Maybe we don't have it so bad here!
Capt Stoobing.
(PS I am not passing an opinion on SQ just stating what I saw)
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There are only two rules for peaceful and uncomplicated living in Singapore.
Rule # 1. Do NOT get involved in any dissent with the Singapore Government.
Rule # 2. If you are considering taking on the Singapore Government refer to Rule # 1.
Keep the faith:]
Rule # 1. Do NOT get involved in any dissent with the Singapore Government.
Rule # 2. If you are considering taking on the Singapore Government refer to Rule # 1.
Keep the faith:]
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Yea whiskery, just walk the straight line and dont look sideways. At the end of the day we make this place the way it is, sure if it was not for the people we all would not have a job flying the jets. What comes around goes around as they say in life. Money makes money.
There is no business, Like Show Business.
There is no business, Like Show Business.
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CC I would guess that 777 works for SQ and is saying, in a round-a-bout way, DON'T rock the LKY boat.
His reference to show business, I interpret to mean that, SQ has become a bit of a circus !
His reference to show business, I interpret to mean that, SQ has become a bit of a circus !
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Claret is cheap wine anyway
Claret, OK Sure you want english. How about RIVET 8 Arrival Runway 16 right, Flight level 370....
Now what you do is from RIVET at 42 DME SY , track SY R- 229 to BOOGI. Cross TAMMI 20 DME SY at or below 9000 FT. Expect radar vectors to final approach course on passing BOOGI 10 DME SY. How easy it that ....
Claret, what kind of engines do you use there old boy ?
Nothing is better than a pair of Rolls Royce Trent 892 pushing me along for the ride up top.
Anyway i prefer a Penfolds St. Henri Shiraz to a glass of cask wine claret......lol
Its no circus here, all is well, its only a circus when your have clowns running you show.
Cheers and see you up top...i'll eat you up with my thrust...
Now what you do is from RIVET at 42 DME SY , track SY R- 229 to BOOGI. Cross TAMMI 20 DME SY at or below 9000 FT. Expect radar vectors to final approach course on passing BOOGI 10 DME SY. How easy it that ....
Claret, what kind of engines do you use there old boy ?
Nothing is better than a pair of Rolls Royce Trent 892 pushing me along for the ride up top.
Anyway i prefer a Penfolds St. Henri Shiraz to a glass of cask wine claret......lol
Its no circus here, all is well, its only a circus when your have clowns running you show.
Cheers and see you up top...i'll eat you up with my thrust...
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Mr Goh, who also holds Australian permanent residency rights, told the newspaper he felt "very sad" because he considered Singapore home.
And if he considers Singapore home then why does he need Australian residency rights?
I, for one, hope the ******** doesn't end up over here. He can retire, go live with Mahatir and whinge about the place over a grape knee-high. Leave the residency rights for some legitimate refugee who really wants to live here.
itchybum
Be very careful what you say because you might tread on your dick. For all we know he may be married to an Australian Citizen. He obviously had Singaporean residency because he worked for Singapore Airlines, probably for a long time. I call Hong Kong home. Does that mean I’m not Australian?
All this gentleman was responsible for was the ousting of the S-ALPA board when it became apparent they weren’t representing the members during last years SARS crisis. It became obvious to most in the Union that the board was becoming a lackey of SIA management, (something it had probably been for a while). You have to ask yourself, if this had happened in Australia, what would have happened? Nothing because he didn’t break the law. He was trying to represent the members of his union in a country where most workers have very little rights and protections like you do in Australia.
And if he considers Singapore home then why does he need Australian residency rights?
All this gentleman was responsible for was the ousting of the S-ALPA board when it became apparent they weren’t representing the members during last years SARS crisis. It became obvious to most in the Union that the board was becoming a lackey of SIA management, (something it had probably been for a while). You have to ask yourself, if this had happened in Australia, what would have happened? Nothing because he didn’t break the law. He was trying to represent the members of his union in a country where most workers have very little rights and protections like you do in Australia.
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Good on you 404 Titan
Atleast you understand there is more to flying and life,than being in australia, if it was not for asian airlines growing and needing crews you all down there would have had no chance in hell of making it to the jet age.
20 million people is so small in the terms of world aviation, you can thank all the airlines and crew required up here in asia to grow so we can hire more down under people.
I know its a hard deal for some, but in the end we all have a job and doing what we like best.
Catch you up top, matey. We will Chit chat more.
Flying is the SECOND greatest thrill known to man,
LANDING is the First.....................
20 million people is so small in the terms of world aviation, you can thank all the airlines and crew required up here in asia to grow so we can hire more down under people.
I know its a hard deal for some, but in the end we all have a job and doing what we like best.
Catch you up top, matey. We will Chit chat more.
Flying is the SECOND greatest thrill known to man,
LANDING is the First.....................
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
And if he considers Singapore home then why does he need Australian residency rights?....Leave the residency rights for some legitimate refugee who really wants to live here.
Perhaps one (or both) of his parents are Australian citizens, itchybum. The family name (Goh) appears to be of Chinese origin, however a lot of the ABC's (Australian born Chinese) have been here for a couple of generations longer than some of Western-sounding surnames.
The poor old S.M. - officially, "Senior Minister", but according to some posters on the Far East Forum, Senile Minister - must be feeling more than somewhat challenged by Captan Goh, if he needs to resort to expulsion from the island state!
IMO, Singapore Airlines seems to be losing "direction".
A once strong airline, renown for having the (average) newest fleet of aircraft in the world, a healthy Safety record, great inflight service, and a desirable work environment for non-Singaporeans, SQ has been on a strong downhill slide over the past 3 years or so. Singapoor Cargo now offer one of the crappiest contracts around.
Sick Air (the A320 SQ regional) are likewise offering 3rd world salaries.
A significant number of expats and Singaporeans have VOLUNTARILY resigned - something previously not experienced by SQ.
Conditions for expats are now almost the same (or even less) as those offered by Third World, developing countries, and the Safety levels, by some reports, plunging.
You might have RR's on the wings, Triple 7, but like the rest of Singapore, you'll probably find when the gloss rubs off they are, IN FACT, only reconditioned Isuzu's.......and that bottle of Penfolds St. Henri Shiraz, is in fact a (Lucky Plaza) COPY, lah!
Yeah, and 3 million is LESS than 1/6th of that "so small" number, lah!
Can't think of a better place for the ex-AN "retirees" to have ended up!! (There you go again, Dingo089 - 4
Perhaps one (or both) of his parents are Australian citizens, itchybum. The family name (Goh) appears to be of Chinese origin, however a lot of the ABC's (Australian born Chinese) have been here for a couple of generations longer than some of Western-sounding surnames.
The poor old S.M. - officially, "Senior Minister", but according to some posters on the Far East Forum, Senile Minister - must be feeling more than somewhat challenged by Captan Goh, if he needs to resort to expulsion from the island state!
IMO, Singapore Airlines seems to be losing "direction".
A once strong airline, renown for having the (average) newest fleet of aircraft in the world, a healthy Safety record, great inflight service, and a desirable work environment for non-Singaporeans, SQ has been on a strong downhill slide over the past 3 years or so. Singapoor Cargo now offer one of the crappiest contracts around.
Sick Air (the A320 SQ regional) are likewise offering 3rd world salaries.
A significant number of expats and Singaporeans have VOLUNTARILY resigned - something previously not experienced by SQ.
Conditions for expats are now almost the same (or even less) as those offered by Third World, developing countries, and the Safety levels, by some reports, plunging.
You might have RR's on the wings, Triple 7, but like the rest of Singapore, you'll probably find when the gloss rubs off they are, IN FACT, only reconditioned Isuzu's.......and that bottle of Penfolds St. Henri Shiraz, is in fact a (Lucky Plaza) COPY, lah!
20 million people is so small in the terms of world aviation,
Can't think of a better place for the ex-AN "retirees" to have ended up!! (There you go again, Dingo089 - 4
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if it was not for asian airlines growing and needing crews you all down there would have had no chance in hell of making it to the jet age
-it is you're talking about,
-mushroom you're smoking or
-planet you're from.
But I do know that without western civilisation and technology you all up there would have no chance in hell (or out) of making it to the iron age.
more to...life than being in australia
I've been there before and I can tell you there's a tiny little island state up north somewhere suffering from a long-term nation-wide outbreak of Tiny Weeny Small-Dick Syndrome whenever they look toward the Southern Cross.
Don't worry matey, some Aussies might head that way and take your cash (notice the SGD's not doing so well) but we don't want to hang around afterward.In fact I think the TWSDS is less a syndrome than the norm...
As for the theories on Mr. Goh's status......... yeah. Right.
itchybum
Hate to burst your bubble but the Chinese and other Asian countries were way ahead of the so called “developed countries” sailing ships three times bigger than their European counterparts to the middle east 200 years before Captain Cook was even born. Today Asia is the powerhouse of most of the worlds computer and semiconductor industry. Now lets see what value added products Australia produces???? I can’t think of any. Not very clever are we because we sell all the raw material to make them but instead we let the rest of the world do all the high value work and then re-import the finished product.
As to your remarks about boat people, most of them are from the Middle East and Pakistan, not Asia.
If you have a close look at Singapore’s trading partners, most of it is with the USA. Now have a look at the exchange rate between the US and Singapore. It has hardly changed in the last two years. As someone that use to be a foreign currency dealer for a large Australian Bank in the late 80’s this would indicate that the Singapore government has been intervening in the FOREX markets to keep the SGD artificially low to drive exports with the US and other countries and allow the economy to expand. Australia on the other hand has seen its dollar rise to levels that is hurting exports and if it doesn’t come down soon could see Australia’s economy slow dramatically. 
But I do know that without western civilisation and technology you all up there would have no chance in hell (or out) of making it to the iron age.
So why are so many of your brothers heading this way in anything that'll float???
(notice the SGD's not doing so well)
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...sailing ships three times bigger than their European counterparts to the middle east 200 years before...
Ok, electronics. Yes they do have very cheap labour up there, don't they? I agree fully.
And their "copy" industries (watches, clothes, perfumes and aftershaves, DVDs, music, etc, etc, etc...) have really flourished, mainly as a result of this technology, that as far as I know, was developed in the west.
...boat people, most of them are from the Middle East and Pakistan, not Asia.
exchange rate between...US and Singapore...hardly changed in... last two years. use (sic) to be a foreign currency dealer for a large Australian Bank in the late 80’s
The main goal of my mainly tongue-in-cheek statements was an answer to triple 7's moronic mumblings. Personally I think this guy is fishing for bites but he reads like someone’s slow-witted mongloid brother has seized the keyboard for the day, typing his crap about his Trent donks and his thrust and STARs. Big donk, small donger, obviously. What a knobber, as my little nephew would say and he's only 6yo.
It could even be No Reds, back to baffle us with his bull****e. It looks a little similar to his ravings. But he’s definitely not a pilot. No pilot I know would spout that kind of tripe. Maybe a groundling of some variety.
As for little plots of land in the north, that’s just the way it is. I can’t help it, I’m not the one with the tiny weiner. And if they don’t like it they can lick my big long Aussie white one, of which I am justifiably proud
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Bugga. Claret, did you cause ALL that? I've just re-read the entire thread to try to figure out what caused this little spat, and yes, Claret, it can be traced back to you questioning 777 on his mixed metaphors. That seemed to send him over the edge!
A point which he failed to realise, BTW.
Now it has degenerated to this?
Now, be careful here itchybum, 777 will pull out the old "R" word next. It's what people do when they are losing an argument (ie they have a small lizard!) and can trump the other by calling him/her a racist.
Me? I'm going to go grab a bottle of wine, yup, maybe even claret, put my feet up and watch what happens next! Keep it up!
A point which he failed to realise, BTW.
Now it has degenerated to this?
Now, be careful here itchybum, 777 will pull out the old "R" word next. It's what people do when they are losing an argument (ie they have a small lizard!) and can trump the other by calling him/her a racist.
Me? I'm going to go grab a bottle of wine, yup, maybe even claret, put my feet up and watch what happens next! Keep it up!