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Kendells mentioned, but can't believe no one mentioned Southern ( apart from Clarrie ), after that ( the start up, and shut down ) you can bet your rrss that QF will go down the path of least resistance.
If nothing else, look at how easy it was for them to close MKY, ROK,CBR and most of BNE : " Hello DM, this is GD, just wanted to let you know your services are no longer required in ___ , see ya "
As opposed to how hard it was to shut down southerns jet op.
NJS are still employing some of those guys. ( and no, I'm not condoning what QF did to Sthn )
If, and thats the big question, a new type is introduced, I'm pretty sure Geoff will be looking at the flexibility and the " bend over backwards for QF " mentality of NJS management ( possibly not such a bad thing after all ).
If nothing else, look at how easy it was for them to close MKY, ROK,CBR and most of BNE : " Hello DM, this is GD, just wanted to let you know your services are no longer required in ___ , see ya "
As opposed to how hard it was to shut down southerns jet op.
NJS are still employing some of those guys. ( and no, I'm not condoning what QF did to Sthn )
If, and thats the big question, a new type is introduced, I'm pretty sure Geoff will be looking at the flexibility and the " bend over backwards for QF " mentality of NJS management ( possibly not such a bad thing after all ).
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NJS are convinced (have been for a while) and are just waiting for a tick-off from QF, if it ever happens.
Be curious whether they explore the option of the 3-abreast J class cabin up front. Would IMO be crucial for any ADL-CBR-BNE type network.
Be curious whether they explore the option of the 3-abreast J class cabin up front. Would IMO be crucial for any ADL-CBR-BNE type network.
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I went for a 1 hour ride in it yesterday afternoon. Excellent little aircraft but seat / kilometre cost will be the determinant in the Australian operation at the end of the day. The 146's continue to age and a replacement must be chosen within the next couple of years.
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Impulse did indeed have that progression but not all of it was under the stewardship of Qantas.
One will never know the answer but; had Qantas owned Impulse before the upgrade to the 717, would the 717 have eventuated @ Impulse?
Impulse did indeed have that progression but not all of it was under the stewardship of Qantas.
One will never know the answer but; had Qantas owned Impulse before the upgrade to the 717, would the 717 have eventuated @ Impulse?
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The beastie arrived in Darwin today, enroute to KL, from where I don't know.
I arrived just in time to have a look inside and outside and admit to being more impressed by its size and finnish than I had anticipated.
It's very quiet and quite spaceous, photos and short takeoff movie on work computer tomorrow.
And, thanks to the F/A for a Brasilian chocolate and an Embraer tie pin.
I arrived just in time to have a look inside and outside and admit to being more impressed by its size and finnish than I had anticipated.
It's very quiet and quite spaceous, photos and short takeoff movie on work computer tomorrow.
And, thanks to the F/A for a Brasilian chocolate and an Embraer tie pin.
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Hello,
Here's some pictures of the bird that i took in Portugal:
http://www.geocities.com/pedro_downunder/emb.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/pedro_downunder/emb1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/pedro_downunder/emb2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/pedro_downunder/emb3.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/pedro_downunder/emb4.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/pedro_downunder/emb5.jpg
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Here's some pictures of the bird that i took in Portugal:
http://www.geocities.com/pedro_downunder/emb.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/pedro_downunder/emb1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/pedro_downunder/emb2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/pedro_downunder/emb3.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/pedro_downunder/emb4.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/pedro_downunder/emb5.jpg
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Went for a ride in it when it was in Perth.
Comfortable and airy cabin (helps with the double bubble fusalage). Doors seemed as though they wouldn't take the vigours of day to day ops, may need to be strengthened. Apparently no. 005 (which the aircraft was) didn't have the final insulation installed. Taxi was a bit stiff strutt wise. But I think the huge cost of the aircraft will be one of the big factors of if we see it down under. Yet to see performance figures of if it would be suitable in the unique WA enviroment. Time will tell. Shame Dornier's version wasn't around.
Comfortable and airy cabin (helps with the double bubble fusalage). Doors seemed as though they wouldn't take the vigours of day to day ops, may need to be strengthened. Apparently no. 005 (which the aircraft was) didn't have the final insulation installed. Taxi was a bit stiff strutt wise. But I think the huge cost of the aircraft will be one of the big factors of if we see it down under. Yet to see performance figures of if it would be suitable in the unique WA enviroment. Time will tell. Shame Dornier's version wasn't around.
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Aircraft nuts just love this Brazilian
Fri "The Australian"
Aircraft nuts just love this Brazilian
By Geoffrey Thomas
April 16, 2004
IT is simply the hottest selling aircraft in the world - and it was in Australia to show off its Brazilian flair to Qantas and National Jet Systems (NJS) last week.
And it's not hard to see why the Embraer (EMB)170-190 family is sweeping all before it.
The aircraft is a real hot rod.
It can fly from Perth to Sydney non-stop, faster than most larger commercial jets such as the A330, has the lowest seat mile costs in its category and can get in and out of short runways in searing heat - critical for operations in northern Australia.
Orders and options now top 600 from a host of the world's major airlines, including low cost specialist New York-based JetBlue, and the EMB 170 is the hot favourite at NJS to replace the BAe146s used for QantasLink services plus mining charters.
Embraer's major problem is delivering the jets, with production sold out through 2006, and according to insiders new un-announced orders will almost certainly close out production to 2008. Those commitments have pushed Sao Paulo-based Embraer's workforce to 12,941, and annual sales - which hit $US10.6 billion ($14.4 billion) last year - are set to soar as the manufacturer starts delivering the new EMB 170 series.
Embraer is a relative newcomer to aircraft manufacturing, as it was founded in 1969. It has grown to be Brazil's largest exporter and the world's third largest civil aircraft manufacturer after Airbus and Boeing.
The Embraer commercial products include the 30-seat EMB 120 Brasilia, 37-seat ERJ 135, 44-seat ERJ 140 and the 50-seat ERJ 145 jet airliners.
Deliveries to airlines of the first EMB 170s commenced last year. Coming in four sizes seating from 70 through to 118 passengers the jet is ideally placed for the regional market.
But rather than a cramped dark cabin typical of many regional offerings, the EMB 170 has a two-by-two cross section with large windows giving a light, airy and spacious feeling.
NJS executives have been working with Embraer to improve the hot field performance of the EMB 170 to match that of the BAe146 - critical for northern Australian conditions.
While NJS was coy about its plans, the industry understands that the Adelaide-based company has secured at least one EMB 170 for delivery later this year for a mining contract.
This lease will introduce the type to the NJS fleet and an order for between 10 and 20 aircraft is expected to follow for delivery starting around 2007-08.
NJS has leases on the BAe146 out to 2008-09.
The secret to the success of the Embraer aircraft is the "clean sheet design" philosophy, rather than a compromise of a larger existing design.
Both Airbus and Boeing have tried with limited success to downscale their respective A320 and 737 families. But that approach carries with it significant weight penalties which compromise the economics.
Embraer has designed an aircraft from scratch that brings together all the latest cockpit and engine technology which optimises the design to the 70-118 seat market.
And rather than the slower speeds typical of regional jets, the EMB 170 clips along at Mach .82.
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Aircraft nuts just love this Brazilian
By Geoffrey Thomas
April 16, 2004
IT is simply the hottest selling aircraft in the world - and it was in Australia to show off its Brazilian flair to Qantas and National Jet Systems (NJS) last week.
And it's not hard to see why the Embraer (EMB)170-190 family is sweeping all before it.
The aircraft is a real hot rod.
It can fly from Perth to Sydney non-stop, faster than most larger commercial jets such as the A330, has the lowest seat mile costs in its category and can get in and out of short runways in searing heat - critical for operations in northern Australia.
Orders and options now top 600 from a host of the world's major airlines, including low cost specialist New York-based JetBlue, and the EMB 170 is the hot favourite at NJS to replace the BAe146s used for QantasLink services plus mining charters.
Embraer's major problem is delivering the jets, with production sold out through 2006, and according to insiders new un-announced orders will almost certainly close out production to 2008. Those commitments have pushed Sao Paulo-based Embraer's workforce to 12,941, and annual sales - which hit $US10.6 billion ($14.4 billion) last year - are set to soar as the manufacturer starts delivering the new EMB 170 series.
Embraer is a relative newcomer to aircraft manufacturing, as it was founded in 1969. It has grown to be Brazil's largest exporter and the world's third largest civil aircraft manufacturer after Airbus and Boeing.
The Embraer commercial products include the 30-seat EMB 120 Brasilia, 37-seat ERJ 135, 44-seat ERJ 140 and the 50-seat ERJ 145 jet airliners.
Deliveries to airlines of the first EMB 170s commenced last year. Coming in four sizes seating from 70 through to 118 passengers the jet is ideally placed for the regional market.
But rather than a cramped dark cabin typical of many regional offerings, the EMB 170 has a two-by-two cross section with large windows giving a light, airy and spacious feeling.
NJS executives have been working with Embraer to improve the hot field performance of the EMB 170 to match that of the BAe146 - critical for northern Australian conditions.
While NJS was coy about its plans, the industry understands that the Adelaide-based company has secured at least one EMB 170 for delivery later this year for a mining contract.
This lease will introduce the type to the NJS fleet and an order for between 10 and 20 aircraft is expected to follow for delivery starting around 2007-08.
NJS has leases on the BAe146 out to 2008-09.
The secret to the success of the Embraer aircraft is the "clean sheet design" philosophy, rather than a compromise of a larger existing design.
Both Airbus and Boeing have tried with limited success to downscale their respective A320 and 737 families. But that approach carries with it significant weight penalties which compromise the economics.
Embraer has designed an aircraft from scratch that brings together all the latest cockpit and engine technology which optimises the design to the 70-118 seat market.
And rather than the slower speeds typical of regional jets, the EMB 170 clips along at Mach .82.
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Oh how I miss Geoff's inaccurate reporting, and quality at that! New paper, new writing style....? Wonder what the hot love affair with NJ's is? His article on Nj's not so long ago was nothing short of just plain advertising (a bit John Law's style) and now this. "The aircraft is a real hotrod" think the writing would be better in 'Pit Moles Monthly'. And they weren't just showing it off to NJ's if accurate reporting was ever to come into his equation. Also faster than a 330? Personally doubt it, which cost index? Yet to see decent Hot High and Short runway payload/range charts, except for the glossy manufacturer one liners. How's the cost per unit?
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Word around the camp fire is that it's not just NJS/QF who are interseted in the Emb 170. Some management pilots from DJ took it for a spin this week. As JET BLUE are doing it then why cant they. About to take on the Dash 8s regional monopoly they are!
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Don't know about the unit costs but how about:
3-400 litres per hour less fuel burn,
at around 50 knots faster,
somewhere around 15-20 A/C flying 6-8 hours a day, 365 days a year
not to mention reliability and low maintenance costs ( theoretically ) of a new A/C.
Do the math
By the way Stick, you reckon GT has a love affair with NJS, what has caused your hatred of them ?
3-400 litres per hour less fuel burn,
at around 50 knots faster,
somewhere around 15-20 A/C flying 6-8 hours a day, 365 days a year
not to mention reliability and low maintenance costs ( theoretically ) of a new A/C.
Do the math
By the way Stick, you reckon GT has a love affair with NJS, what has caused your hatred of them ?
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No hatered toward NJ's, just what and how things are reported by a certain award winning journo. Just got to take a step back and see "what the!" the article I was referring to was blatant much to do about nothing, and this one is just inaccurate info, that's all. just the truth and facts, and good enough reason to be in the paper... simple really, not too much to ask.
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Stick pusher:
Looking at your posts I would say that perhaps you were anti NJS!
I was just reporting the facts.
There is no question the EMB170 is a superb aircraft and after some work with NJS over the past year the performance has been enhanced to meet its North-West airfield demands.
I think the sales of the EMB 170-190 do all the talking.
As far as NJS is concerned I guess its performnace speaks for itself. I was simply reporting what has happened not what might be or giving any opinion.
Perhaps you can point out where I was wrong in the NJS story.
And in the past six years it is the first feature I have written on them...not quite doing them any favours.
GT
Looking at your posts I would say that perhaps you were anti NJS!
I was just reporting the facts.
There is no question the EMB170 is a superb aircraft and after some work with NJS over the past year the performance has been enhanced to meet its North-West airfield demands.
I think the sales of the EMB 170-190 do all the talking.
As far as NJS is concerned I guess its performnace speaks for itself. I was simply reporting what has happened not what might be or giving any opinion.
Perhaps you can point out where I was wrong in the NJS story.
And in the past six years it is the first feature I have written on them...not quite doing them any favours.
GT
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Looks good. How high are the engine intakes from the ground? You would think it would be prone to F.O.D. more so than their other models. But at 25mil a piece why would bother with Q400?
From what I hear they still have problems with the Q400, especially the Delivery customer in Europe somewhere.
Props are for Boats Gentlemen, bring on the EMB170!
Sheep
From what I hear they still have problems with the Q400, especially the Delivery customer in Europe somewhere.
Props are for Boats Gentlemen, bring on the EMB170!
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Stick pusher:
BTW I hardly think a jolly for staff of two other airlines in WA constitutes a meaningful interest by those airlines.
The aircraft was flown to Australia to show NJS in Perth and Adelaide. Virgin Blue was an important after thought.
In understand from a Brazilian contact that NJS has secured production line options for the aircraft, unlike any other Australian operator.
GT
BTW I hardly think a jolly for staff of two other airlines in WA constitutes a meaningful interest by those airlines.
The aircraft was flown to Australia to show NJS in Perth and Adelaide. Virgin Blue was an important after thought.
In understand from a Brazilian contact that NJS has secured production line options for the aircraft, unlike any other Australian operator.
GT