Decorum please on the flight deck.
Fact is I think this goes to show how much of Aviation, particularly involving more "senior" members of our profession, often seems to exist in a vacuum compared to the rest of the workforce.
Our aeroplane is our workplace, the Captain is a manager, and provision of a non-hostile, non-discriminatory workplace is a requirement in most countries.
"F"ing and Blinding in an office would be an actionable offence, with the protagonist subject to discipline or dismissal, if any employee found it offensive. Indeed there has recently been a case here where a female FO "won" (out of court settlement) an action against an airline for harassment because she was verbally abused by a Captain.
Pilots are people. They might be female, Muslim, Christian or just plain offended by bad language.
If the FO in this thread is genuinely offended by this particular Captain, he/she has ever right to complain to management, and they would be well advised to caution said Captain to moderate his behaviour.
I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's the world we live in.
Our aeroplane is our workplace, the Captain is a manager, and provision of a non-hostile, non-discriminatory workplace is a requirement in most countries.
"F"ing and Blinding in an office would be an actionable offence, with the protagonist subject to discipline or dismissal, if any employee found it offensive. Indeed there has recently been a case here where a female FO "won" (out of court settlement) an action against an airline for harassment because she was verbally abused by a Captain.
Pilots are people. They might be female, Muslim, Christian or just plain offended by bad language.
If the FO in this thread is genuinely offended by this particular Captain, he/she has ever right to complain to management, and they would be well advised to caution said Captain to moderate his behaviour.
I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's the world we live in.
Reminds me a little of working for Tony Glenn on Corunna Downs - "It's a bloody, bloody f*cking c*nt of a f*cking thing!" being his catchphrase.
Not sure about posh persons being any less likely to cuss - I've known a few who use the f*ckin' great British adjective constantly because they think it conceals their poshness...fools..
Not sure about posh persons being any less likely to cuss - I've known a few who use the f*ckin' great British adjective constantly because they think it conceals their poshness...fools..
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Menen - could you pass this onto your friend?
A Lesson In The Diversity Of The English Language
I'm sure he will be most impressed.
Soulman.
A Lesson In The Diversity Of The English Language
I'm sure he will be most impressed.
Soulman.
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wizofiz....... are you serious???
As for the FO, if that FO couldn't hack it that FO shouldn't have joined. It's NOT like any other "workplace".
As for the FO, if that FO couldn't hack it that FO shouldn't have joined. It's NOT like any other "workplace".
Itchy,
You, me or any 90 out of 100 pilots might think it's not like any other workplace, but I can assure you that pilots are employees, and no industrial law in any country states "applicable to all employees except pilots."
The law is the law. Contravene it, by busting an SOP or by harassing an underling, at your peril.
You, me or any 90 out of 100 pilots might think it's not like any other workplace, but I can assure you that pilots are employees, and no industrial law in any country states "applicable to all employees except pilots."
The law is the law. Contravene it, by busting an SOP or by harassing an underling, at your peril.
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Wiz I take your point but pay it little credence for the following reasons.
Woops wrong button.
I was bought up in the bush and attended a nice boarding school. All the boarders and most of the day scholars used colourful language. Its just what we did.
Being bought up on a healthy diet of adjectives probably does not improve ones vocabulary in early life, however one can at least pronounce the word correctly and with conviction.
ANger..F@ck off!
Surprise..F@ck me
Moron..F@ckin loser
Disgust..For F@cks sake
Understanding..What the F@ck
Go away..F@ck you
Worry..Holy F@ck
Religious..Jesus F@cking Christ
and..F@cking Jesus, F@cking Christ.
Identity..Who the F@ck
Privacy..mind your own F@cking business
Had enough..Go and get F@cked
And so the list goes on. Why would we want it any other way?
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I was bought up in the bush and attended a nice boarding school. All the boarders and most of the day scholars used colourful language. Its just what we did.
Being bought up on a healthy diet of adjectives probably does not improve ones vocabulary in early life, however one can at least pronounce the word correctly and with conviction.
ANger..F@ck off!
Surprise..F@ck me
Moron..F@ckin loser
Disgust..For F@cks sake
Understanding..What the F@ck
Go away..F@ck you
Worry..Holy F@ck
Religious..Jesus F@cking Christ
and..F@cking Jesus, F@cking Christ.
Identity..Who the F@ck
Privacy..mind your own F@cking business
Had enough..Go and get F@cked
And so the list goes on. Why would we want it any other way?
I 'kin think it shows a broader 'kin ability to 'kin express oneself 'kin succinctly and with greater 'kin emphasis on getting your 'kin point across. Much like Leonardo 'kin da Vinci used to 'kin do with 'kin paint...
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Gday Clarie.
Yes mate it's a great word. Your'e probably right about the positions, but being such a flexible word encompassing adjective, verb, ad-verb, noun and pro-noun, I guess it fits anywhere (if you'll pardon the pun).
Yes mate it's a great word. Your'e probably right about the positions, but being such a flexible word encompassing adjective, verb, ad-verb, noun and pro-noun, I guess it fits anywhere (if you'll pardon the pun).
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FARCANAL
What would Rodney Rude think of all this , if its in the dictionary its there to be used , my old english teacher used to say , learn a new word each day. FARCANAL !!!
Spermy,
I'm not saying any of us want it any other way, I'm telling you that it is the other way.
If you are in the position of being another workers superior (e.g Captain of an aircraft) and engage in behaviour a reasonable person might see as potentially offensive (and you bet that foul language counts), you are an anonymous complaint away from a tribunal hearing, disciplinary action, and carrying the can for your employer having to pay out compensation.
It has and will increasingly happen.
Just remember, the measure of what is offensive is not the person speaking, it's the one listening (even if you weren’t talking to them!!).
I'm not saying any of us want it any other way, I'm telling you that it is the other way.
If you are in the position of being another workers superior (e.g Captain of an aircraft) and engage in behaviour a reasonable person might see as potentially offensive (and you bet that foul language counts), you are an anonymous complaint away from a tribunal hearing, disciplinary action, and carrying the can for your employer having to pay out compensation.
It has and will increasingly happen.
Just remember, the measure of what is offensive is not the person speaking, it's the one listening (even if you weren’t talking to them!!).
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It appears to me that the F/O is being a bit precious, as are some posters in reply advocating going directly to redress. We are supposed to be big boys/girls and should be able to sort out a reasonable level of relationship problems ourselves: its called social interaction or somesuch trendy phrase (It used to be called being a grownup!).
IMHO the first action should have been a bog-standard 'assertiveness statement' (most would remember it from basic CRM training, if not from normal life experience).
After a nil or adverse reaction to said statement, only THEN go nuclear.
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Cribble,
you don't really expect the poor complainant to actually confront the alleged transgressor do you. Surely not when a quiet word said to a superior enables them to avoid looking into the eyes of the one they complain about.
you don't really expect the poor complainant to actually confront the alleged transgressor do you. Surely not when a quiet word said to a superior enables them to avoid looking into the eyes of the one they complain about.
HHmmm,
Simple question,
Do you all change/moderate your behaviour at work when dealing with a Female rather than a Male?
If so, you are assuming that one person is entitled not to be subjected to certain behavior based on their sex.
Try arguing that one in a court of law!!
Clarrie,
Should they? Yes. Do they have to under the law? NO!!
I'm not arguing the rights and wrongs, I'm warning people in positions of authority what they are up against in todays blame centred, litigious society.
Simple question,
Do you all change/moderate your behaviour at work when dealing with a Female rather than a Male?
If so, you are assuming that one person is entitled not to be subjected to certain behavior based on their sex.
Try arguing that one in a court of law!!
you don't really expect the poor complainant to actually confront the alleged transgressor do you. Surely not when a quiet word said to a superior enables them to avoid looking into the eyes of the one they complain about.
Should they? Yes. Do they have to under the law? NO!!
I'm not arguing the rights and wrongs, I'm warning people in positions of authority what they are up against in todays blame centred, litigious society.
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..getting back to the original posting....just wondered why (if true) the Checkie's language was so extreme? Could it be the way the flight was going? All kinds of senario's come to mind. It sorta (runs parallel with) cunjures up memories of when I was tought to drive a car and the ear blastings I got from the 'other' seat (rarely of course) in response to the little errors I made whilst behind the wheel. Ah..."The driving instructor".... anyone remember it? Such a long time ago....and I nearly ran over that guy ahead of us too - the one holding the flag .....
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Well in light of this thread I came to work today resolved not to say 
so much, and to try and be more considerate to the F/Os who have to listen to it.
All went well for a while until I was telling the story about beinged around by the local Nissan dealer, who took my Patrol for a whole day yesterday to fix what was supposed to be a one hour warranty job. The ing stupid ers spent the whole day fitting the wrong ing parts!!! 
This thread reminds me a bit of the movie Lenny (I think) from the 70's. Poor sod got locked up for pointing out how usefull the word was, simply because it has so many ing uses. As eruditely pointed out by Sperm Bank
so much, and to try and be more considerate to the F/Os who have to listen to it.All went well for a while until I was telling the story about being
ed around by the local Nissan dealer, who took my Patrol for a whole day yesterday to fix what was supposed to be a one hour warranty job. The ing stupid ers spent the whole day fitting the wrong ing parts!!! This thread reminds me a bit of the movie Lenny (I think) from the 70's. Poor sod got locked up for pointing out how usefull the word
was, simply because it has so many ing uses. As eruditely pointed out by Sperm Bank
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Well; I'll go out on a limb here. Whilst I have certainly been known to let fly with a few expletives on occasion I hold the view that to use the f and c word almost continuously in normal conversation is boorish and unacceptable.
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you're born. Once when
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