Skippers Aviation & QF Cadet scheme
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At a guess what is classed as a cabin class twin is a Navajo or Chieftan,....but not a Baron as a friend had 1000hrs Baron and was told to get some "cabin class" twin time....oh what a joke.
Oh and im only a little guy
.......but i get told im still good
Oh and im only a little guy
.......but i get told im still good
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Folks,
The only time anyone has a "right" to be employed is if he/she has honestly and truthfully convinced the employer that he/she is the right person and that employer has entered into a contract of employment, verbal or otherwise. Everyone else is in intense competition to get to that point.
An employer can discriminate on many grounds - other than those proscribed in the various pieces of anti-discrimination legislation - none of which include references to flying experience or aviation qualifications. Many of you need to get a grip on employment reality - nobody is giving it away, you have to earn it each time regardless of where the goalposts are today or shift to tomorrow.
As for the QF cadets - their employment is a commercial arrangement between QF and the employer and is not of the individual cadet's doing. There may well be corporate benefits from being co-operative with QF by participating in the cadet scheme beyond the $10K contribution towards training costs. My understanding is that each cadet has stumped up a very large amount of money to complete a training scheme designed by QF and, importantly, he/she has successfully completed QF selection. That means that he/she brings a little bit more to the negotiating table than just "200 hours".
The employer must weigh up the pros and cons of employing a particular person and, as is always the case, will make a choice based on the most favourable commercial outcome for the employer.
Stay Alive,
The only time anyone has a "right" to be employed is if he/she has honestly and truthfully convinced the employer that he/she is the right person and that employer has entered into a contract of employment, verbal or otherwise. Everyone else is in intense competition to get to that point.
An employer can discriminate on many grounds - other than those proscribed in the various pieces of anti-discrimination legislation - none of which include references to flying experience or aviation qualifications. Many of you need to get a grip on employment reality - nobody is giving it away, you have to earn it each time regardless of where the goalposts are today or shift to tomorrow.
As for the QF cadets - their employment is a commercial arrangement between QF and the employer and is not of the individual cadet's doing. There may well be corporate benefits from being co-operative with QF by participating in the cadet scheme beyond the $10K contribution towards training costs. My understanding is that each cadet has stumped up a very large amount of money to complete a training scheme designed by QF and, importantly, he/she has successfully completed QF selection. That means that he/she brings a little bit more to the negotiating table than just "200 hours".
The employer must weigh up the pros and cons of employing a particular person and, as is always the case, will make a choice based on the most favourable commercial outcome for the employer.
Stay Alive,
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That is true any organisation has the right to employ whom ever they like. However A cadet will bring absolutely zero to the company and will remain as so until they get experience. It's tragic that many many good people miss out due to nepotism and some zit faced school kid whom has proven nothing thus far. What a gamble!
That is true any organisation has the right to employ whom ever they like. However A cadet will bring absolutely zero to the company and will remain as so until they get experience. It's tragic that many many good people miss out due to nepotism and some zit faced school kid whom has proven nothing thus far. What a gamble!
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bitter balance
They are a burden. With no experience how have they something to contribute. They get by simply on the experience of the captain. Only after a long period of time would they even come close to contributing anything worth whileto the flight deck.
Does the term "Yes men" mean anything to you?
They are a burden. With no experience how have they something to contribute. They get by simply on the experience of the captain. Only after a long period of time would they even come close to contributing anything worth whileto the flight deck.
Does the term "Yes men" mean anything to you?
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commander a - did you have a snooze during CRM? If you believe that, then cadets definitely won't contribute to your cockpit. That says more about you than them.
If someone is check and trained to the required standard then they are entitled to be there. There are plenty of dickheads in aviation and plenty of them are not cadets. Everyone on this forum knows pilots who haven't made the grade for whatever reason. They also know that this has less to do with their logbook than their abilities.
If someone is check and trained to the required standard then they are entitled to be there. There are plenty of dickheads in aviation and plenty of them are not cadets. Everyone on this forum knows pilots who haven't made the grade for whatever reason. They also know that this has less to do with their logbook than their abilities.
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FOAM CUP WHERE IS MY CUP
All I want is a foam cup, one little foam cup. My cup , My cup , my roster for a foam cup. I was thinking, if you cut a hole in the top of the urn near the coolroom, and filled it with enough coffee and milk you, could just have a quick chug straight from the tap each you passed by. At 5 am, all you want is a coffee especially when in the last month your flights have changed 6 times. EMPLOY MORE PILOTS........ surely it must be sinking in now.....DUHHHH.
Its catch 22, you cut off the vital foam cup supply, but then expect crew to double up on min rest......You're just not getting it.
If the company just got anyone who was standing around (this could be a LAME, terminal staff or OPS, passenger) to give it a crack and fly to a site, then they wouldnt be bound by CAO48 Dispo's as they dont hold flight crew licences. AND they wouldnt need a foam cup to get through the day.
Its like Lord of the Rings, we all want the "precious". By the way is everyone keeping grammatical and spelling checks as they read.
Here's another one, I spoke to NASA the other day who indicated quite strongly that there weren't any reports of a black hole over Skippers. So again I am lost as to why my Radio transmissions cant get through. "SAY AGAIN". Radio lesson 1. Must be in same room to be able to clearly hear radio reception. Lesson 2. Radio must be switched on to receive. Lesson 3. If you leave work early (V) with aircraft still in the air, they wont be able to contact you. Lesson 4. The noises you hear intermittently are not the crew fooling around, but atmospheric disturbances.
Well thats another wet season gone and F-----ng Shay gap still hasnt washed away. I have a book going on how heavy the bags will get there. 39kgs, ah yes Roy me boy you're meant to actually do something about it, not just imagine you have. Its called being a manager, something has to occur....cause and effect. You cause me to want to run through the terminal naked, but the effect would .......well maybe it is worth it. I hear the more famous you can be the easier it is to get into the majors.
With the winter months approaching i was thinking maybe we could just remove the glass at the front of the terminal and start aircraft inside the terminal for extra warmth. Think of the cost savings, and how much shorter the walk would be for terminal staff to board pax. The standard rule of OPS communicating telepathically shall continue as per usual.
ARGGGGH I wish it were true...........
If you build your turbine time, they will come.
Its catch 22, you cut off the vital foam cup supply, but then expect crew to double up on min rest......You're just not getting it.
If the company just got anyone who was standing around (this could be a LAME, terminal staff or OPS, passenger) to give it a crack and fly to a site, then they wouldnt be bound by CAO48 Dispo's as they dont hold flight crew licences. AND they wouldnt need a foam cup to get through the day.
Its like Lord of the Rings, we all want the "precious". By the way is everyone keeping grammatical and spelling checks as they read.
Here's another one, I spoke to NASA the other day who indicated quite strongly that there weren't any reports of a black hole over Skippers. So again I am lost as to why my Radio transmissions cant get through. "SAY AGAIN". Radio lesson 1. Must be in same room to be able to clearly hear radio reception. Lesson 2. Radio must be switched on to receive. Lesson 3. If you leave work early (V) with aircraft still in the air, they wont be able to contact you. Lesson 4. The noises you hear intermittently are not the crew fooling around, but atmospheric disturbances.
Well thats another wet season gone and F-----ng Shay gap still hasnt washed away. I have a book going on how heavy the bags will get there. 39kgs, ah yes Roy me boy you're meant to actually do something about it, not just imagine you have. Its called being a manager, something has to occur....cause and effect. You cause me to want to run through the terminal naked, but the effect would .......well maybe it is worth it. I hear the more famous you can be the easier it is to get into the majors.
With the winter months approaching i was thinking maybe we could just remove the glass at the front of the terminal and start aircraft inside the terminal for extra warmth. Think of the cost savings, and how much shorter the walk would be for terminal staff to board pax. The standard rule of OPS communicating telepathically shall continue as per usual.
ARGGGGH I wish it were true...........
If you build your turbine time, they will come.
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hayward you are exactly right
the only way you can get a foam cup around skippers is to get one passed to you in the dark breeseway early in the morning without roy or OPs there!!
as for sydneyman and MILFhunter you two are aholes and you need a good as kickin!!! you two are classics, you right this" good looking blonde lady" off, you are telling me that if you werent in the same position you wouldnt do the same thing, you guys are hipocits, the low of the low!!!!!
we all know that you work for skippers so if you feel so strongly about it why dont you voice your opinions to your flight ops manager insted of bithching about it on this sight. you may not realise that cirtain people read these forums that you coments may hurt!!!!!
the only way you can get a foam cup around skippers is to get one passed to you in the dark breeseway early in the morning without roy or OPs there!!
as for sydneyman and MILFhunter you two are aholes and you need a good as kickin!!! you two are classics, you right this" good looking blonde lady" off, you are telling me that if you werent in the same position you wouldnt do the same thing, you guys are hipocits, the low of the low!!!!!
we all know that you work for skippers so if you feel so strongly about it why dont you voice your opinions to your flight ops manager insted of bithching about it on this sight. you may not realise that cirtain people read these forums that you coments may hurt!!!!!
Towering Q: correct
Boeing: Duuoohh. "JD, can I have my job back?". Didn't look like a "she" in my landing light, but then again, you never can tell, what with all the (good looking) short haired girls around these days...
Boeing: Duuoohh. "JD, can I have my job back?". Didn't look like a "she" in my landing light, but then again, you never can tell, what with all the (good looking) short haired girls around these days...
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What does all this say about the standards of Skippers & Airnorth??
Skippers MINIMUM requirements for entry are
1500 TT, 750 PIC, 300 Multi, 50 Night
yet a 200 hour pilot can buy there way in there because they're part of the QF cadet program. A even if they are a 'top gun' they are still a 200 hour pilot who really should be getting COMMAND experience in a 210 not playing copilot in a high performance turbine.
Skippers MINIMUM requirements for entry are
1500 TT, 750 PIC, 300 Multi, 50 Night
yet a 200 hour pilot can buy there way in there because they're part of the QF cadet program. A even if they are a 'top gun' they are still a 200 hour pilot who really should be getting COMMAND experience in a 210 not playing copilot in a high performance turbine.
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yes i am right
it was a conquest and it was a new conki pilot that was from the RACWA. god knows what the safty pilot was doing at the time???
her right main gear got stck in the sand. ramp staff and pilots had to dig it free. thaks to good old mate NJS ramp staff for standing there laughing!!!
it was a conquest and it was a new conki pilot that was from the RACWA. god knows what the safty pilot was doing at the time???
her right main gear got stck in the sand. ramp staff and pilots had to dig it free. thaks to good old mate NJS ramp staff for standing there laughing!!!
I can completely understand the disappointment of pilots who are more experienced and have been trying longer to gain employment with Skippers at being bipassed by an inexperienced protegy. However, having worked for Skippers and now with Qantas I can tell you the same applies once you work for airlines. Airforce Wing Commanders new to Qantas are below the chain of command to 22 year old cadets with little flying nor life experience. That is the system. We all have to live with it.
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by your last massage you must have been the nat jet 145 holding behind the skippers conquest! i know it is very stupid that the pilot thought that the grass was part of the apron like i sayed what was the safty pilot doing (he was a conki pilot himself of many years). it is the second insident in the last two weeks! a skippers bras whist under tow to maroomba hit a light pole and broke the tip of the wing off. god this is a ****ty company it is hard to belive that they need to wait for things to happen before preventing it happening. the bras was towed back and because there were no replacements in stock (which there never is of anything) it was offline for the next four days!!!
incompitance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by your last massage you must have been the nat jet 145 holding behind the skippers conquest! i know it is very stupid that the pilot thought that the grass was part of the apron like i sayed what was the safty pilot doing (he was a conki pilot himself of many years). it is the second insident in the last two weeks! a skippers bras whist under tow to maroomba hit a light pole and broke the tip of the wing off. god this is a ****ty company it is hard to belive that they need to wait for things to happen before preventing it happening. the bras was towed back and because there were no replacements in stock (which there never is of anything) it was offline for the next four days!!!
incompitance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scud Runner
I agree with you totally, unfortunetly I think this may become the norm in the future.
If the second tier operators like Airnorth and Skippers are doing it for financial reasons then this may be the way of the future.
I agree with you totally, unfortunetly I think this may become the norm in the future.
If the second tier operators like Airnorth and Skippers are doing it for financial reasons then this may be the way of the future.
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Speaking of Airnorth..... I've never seen the bras bounce so much before in my life. Not too uncommon to see a triple bouncer down the runway now. Wonder what it feels like down the back. But I guess this has nothing to do with the cadets 