Qantas in bar fight with staff
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Everything old is new again?
Surely there are some out there who remember the Captain Cook Club (I think) on the QF 747 classics? If you do, how was it staffed? Additional crew, like AN's chef, or FA's from the regular crew?
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The Captain Cook Lounge was "manned" by a single FA who's unofficial work position was called the "fiddler on the roof".
Although it was well before my time QF operated the 747 in those days with 17 crew.
They now do so with 15 and on the two class, 14.
Although it was well before my time QF operated the 747 in those days with 17 crew.
They now do so with 15 and on the two class, 14.
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Fri "The Australian"
Qantas wins on DIY bar service
By Drew Warne-Smith, Industrial relations
February 27, 2004
QANTAS business class passengers will be able to serve themselves alcoholic drinks on long-haul flights for the first time today after a ruling by the Industrial Relations Commission.
The airline's new "business bars" were established in September 2003, but flight attendants have been refusing to allow self-service amid concerns that aircraft safety would be jeopardised.
The Flight Attendants Association of Australia issued a directive last week enforcing the ban, causing the airline to launch industrial action to have the order retracted.
At a hearing on Monday, the IRC strongly recommended that the FAAA reconsider its industrial action, but the association refused.
At yesterday's subsequent hearing, the IRC ordered the FAAA to inform its members that passengers must be allowed unhindered access to the bar.
The assistant secretary of the FAAA, Michael Mijatov, said that flight attendants would heed the ruling, but an appeal would be considered over the next few days.
"We're disappointed in the finding. Our safety concerns were legitimate ones, they're serious concerns, and the fact that the commission has ordered against us doesn't mean those concerns go away," Mr Mijatov said.
Passengers allowed to congregate and drink at the bar would greatly increase the risk of accidents, air rage, underage drinking and drink-spiking, the FAAA has said.
The association also believes the bar flouts responsible service of alcohol requirements and will be outlawed under draft Civil Aviation Safety Authority regulations to be implemented in July.
The airline's internal risk-assessment documents would be sought before a final decision on an appeal was made, Mr Mijatov said.
A spokeswoman for Qantas welcomed the decision, but denied that passengers had been refused access to the self-service bar since the airline relaunched its business class facilities on international flights last year.
Qantas has denied the self-service bar is a security risk and described the FAAA's actions as unjustified and unreasonable.
Japan Airlines, Cathay Pacific and Virgin Atlantic operate similar business bars.
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Qantas wins on DIY bar service
By Drew Warne-Smith, Industrial relations
February 27, 2004
QANTAS business class passengers will be able to serve themselves alcoholic drinks on long-haul flights for the first time today after a ruling by the Industrial Relations Commission.
The airline's new "business bars" were established in September 2003, but flight attendants have been refusing to allow self-service amid concerns that aircraft safety would be jeopardised.
The Flight Attendants Association of Australia issued a directive last week enforcing the ban, causing the airline to launch industrial action to have the order retracted.
At a hearing on Monday, the IRC strongly recommended that the FAAA reconsider its industrial action, but the association refused.
At yesterday's subsequent hearing, the IRC ordered the FAAA to inform its members that passengers must be allowed unhindered access to the bar.
The assistant secretary of the FAAA, Michael Mijatov, said that flight attendants would heed the ruling, but an appeal would be considered over the next few days.
"We're disappointed in the finding. Our safety concerns were legitimate ones, they're serious concerns, and the fact that the commission has ordered against us doesn't mean those concerns go away," Mr Mijatov said.
Passengers allowed to congregate and drink at the bar would greatly increase the risk of accidents, air rage, underage drinking and drink-spiking, the FAAA has said.
The association also believes the bar flouts responsible service of alcohol requirements and will be outlawed under draft Civil Aviation Safety Authority regulations to be implemented in July.
The airline's internal risk-assessment documents would be sought before a final decision on an appeal was made, Mr Mijatov said.
A spokeswoman for Qantas welcomed the decision, but denied that passengers had been refused access to the self-service bar since the airline relaunched its business class facilities on international flights last year.
Qantas has denied the self-service bar is a security risk and described the FAAA's actions as unjustified and unreasonable.
Japan Airlines, Cathay Pacific and Virgin Atlantic operate similar business bars.
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Last time I flew no class, the only prerequisite to self serve was you had to make your own way to the bar/galley and be sober enough to ask for a refill - or not drop the bottle and make a noise if there was no one there while you were helping yourself. When you couldn't make the last climb into the aisle it was time to call it quits.
Not much different to business class or the lounge really.
Last time I flew no class, the only prerequisite to self serve was you had to make your own way to the bar/galley and be sober enough to ask for a refill - or not drop the bottle and make a noise if there was no one there while you were helping yourself. When you couldn't make the last climb into the aisle it was time to call it quits.
Not much different to business class or the lounge really.
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Japan Airlines, Cathay Pacific and Virgin Atlantic operate similar business bars.
These other guys use the system so why not Australia?
The airline will trial it and if it doesnt work they'll scrap it.
Pretty simple really.
