NZ Regionals, what's the latest?
When you look at the replacement options and what they are looking at, the only aircraft that really stacks up is the ATR 42. There was a mention before of the Dornier 328, but what is the point in replacing a 34 seat aircraft with a 30 seat one? I believe the dash 8 Q300 was in with a hunt but where and how to do the training. If Mt Cook have to get a sim then your training costs for the ATR 42 are dramatically reduced. The 42-212A has much the same components in the tail section as the 72-500 not to mention all the other spares with commonality. The Saab 2000 while fast and sexy ( I hope that sexyness really doesn't come into the considerations!!) would be far to expensive to run. I believe the 2000 doesn't really have much more baggage space than the 340.
So at the end of the day can it really be anything else? I realise that my simple breakdown doesn't compare to what Air NSN and Air NZ are doing, nor do I know what financial deals are on offer. Does it mean though that the choice will be that straight forward.
So at the end of the day can it really be anything else? I realise that my simple breakdown doesn't compare to what Air NSN and Air NZ are doing, nor do I know what financial deals are on offer. Does it mean though that the choice will be that straight forward.
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I agree completely, I don't think you could do much better than at ATR anyway when it comes to efficiency and pax comfort (maybe Dash 8 Q series), and as far as I know the Mt Cook sim IS coming some time this year - unless there's been a change of plans.
While the Saab 2000 is a pretty cool machine, 4152shp per side to carry around 50 pax at up to 368 kts doesn't compare well to 2160shp, 42 pax, 265 kts (ATR 42-500) - IMO the sectors flown are too short to warrent all that extra speed, that's why we are one of the few contries still going for turboprops over reqional jets. The other possible problem would be aquisition, only 62 ever built - although I'm sure the ones with red crosses on the tail would be up for grabs
I agree completely, I don't think you could do much better than at ATR anyway when it comes to efficiency and pax comfort (maybe Dash 8 Q series), and as far as I know the Mt Cook sim IS coming some time this year - unless there's been a change of plans.
While the Saab 2000 is a pretty cool machine, 4152shp per side to carry around 50 pax at up to 368 kts doesn't compare well to 2160shp, 42 pax, 265 kts (ATR 42-500) - IMO the sectors flown are too short to warrent all that extra speed, that's why we are one of the few contries still going for turboprops over reqional jets. The other possible problem would be aquisition, only 62 ever built - although I'm sure the ones with red crosses on the tail would be up for grabs
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this 'other aicraft' is not the dash-8-400 is it, it might be a bit over cooked for most of air nelsons routes, something like the saab 2000 or atr-42 would be better, if it was the atr-42 maybe the atr fleet maintenance could be moved to the nelson base freeing up hangar space in christchurch
NSJ why go for a 70 seat Q400 when you could have the ATR 72 with the same number of seats and spares etc etc.
Another minor point is gates. Auckland is already crowded enough as it is. The saab wing span is 70 feet, the ATR 42 80 feet. they are going to have to find the room somewhere but I am unsure where. You could reduce the number of gates between 45 and 49 to four but this will harm Eagle and GBA/Mtn Air
Another minor point is gates. Auckland is already crowded enough as it is. The saab wing span is 70 feet, the ATR 42 80 feet. they are going to have to find the room somewhere but I am unsure where. You could reduce the number of gates between 45 and 49 to four but this will harm Eagle and GBA/Mtn Air
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Saab 2000 in 2004
C'mon team, Air NZ aint in the business of buying used. Especially not used that was designed with another airline in mind!
It was a first of type for a lot of systems/controls: the first civil application of the Allison (now Rolls-Royce) AE-2100 turboshaft (itself a version of military T406 developed for the V-22 Osprey tiltrotor). Hasn't Osprey had an 'interesting' development process!
As for similarities, the 2000 uses the same cross section fuse as the 340, but is 7.55m (24ft 9in) longer (seating 15 more passengers). The same wing section is retained but the 2000's wing span is 15% greater than the 340's, and the engines are positioned further outboard.
It was lack of sales and profitability that forced Saab to cease 340 and 2000 production in 1998. The last 2000 was delivered to Crossair in April 1999.
There are only 54 in airline service, three corporate transports.
It was a first of type for a lot of systems/controls: the first civil application of the Allison (now Rolls-Royce) AE-2100 turboshaft (itself a version of military T406 developed for the V-22 Osprey tiltrotor). Hasn't Osprey had an 'interesting' development process!
As for similarities, the 2000 uses the same cross section fuse as the 340, but is 7.55m (24ft 9in) longer (seating 15 more passengers). The same wing section is retained but the 2000's wing span is 15% greater than the 340's, and the engines are positioned further outboard.
It was lack of sales and profitability that forced Saab to cease 340 and 2000 production in 1998. The last 2000 was delivered to Crossair in April 1999.
There are only 54 in airline service, three corporate transports.
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NZ regionals growing - from another post
Air New Zealand said today its subsidiary Eagle Air was increasing services to some provincial centres.
The increases were a spin off from Air New Zealand's introduction of its cheaper Express service in November 2002.
Eagle Air has had a 43 per cent increase in passenger numbers over this time, partly due to the new fare structure but also because of a 22 per cent increase in capacity since introducting its 19-seat Beech aircraft to its fleet two years ago.
The new services beginning on March 19 are:
* Auckland-Tauranga: a new early morning weekday service
* Auckland-Rotorua and Auckland-Taupo: previously a combined early morning flight
* Auckland-Hamilton: additional middle of the day service
* Auckland-Napier: new early afternoon flights on Thursdays and Fridays
* Gisborne-Wellington: additional flight Monday to Wednesday
* Blenheim-Wellington: additional evening flight Monday to Wednesday
* Wellington-Westport: new flight on Saturdays, making a daily service on this route
* Blenheim-Christchurch: new flight on Saturdays, making a daily service on this route
* Christchurch-Invercargill: additional Saturday afternoon flight.
Eagle Air is also starting a daily Christchurch-Wanaka service.
The increases were a spin off from Air New Zealand's introduction of its cheaper Express service in November 2002.
Eagle Air has had a 43 per cent increase in passenger numbers over this time, partly due to the new fare structure but also because of a 22 per cent increase in capacity since introducting its 19-seat Beech aircraft to its fleet two years ago.
The new services beginning on March 19 are:
* Auckland-Tauranga: a new early morning weekday service
* Auckland-Rotorua and Auckland-Taupo: previously a combined early morning flight
* Auckland-Hamilton: additional middle of the day service
* Auckland-Napier: new early afternoon flights on Thursdays and Fridays
* Gisborne-Wellington: additional flight Monday to Wednesday
* Blenheim-Wellington: additional evening flight Monday to Wednesday
* Wellington-Westport: new flight on Saturdays, making a daily service on this route
* Blenheim-Christchurch: new flight on Saturdays, making a daily service on this route
* Christchurch-Invercargill: additional Saturday afternoon flight.
Eagle Air is also starting a daily Christchurch-Wanaka service.
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That's pretty soon, have they got a decent number of pilots to be line trained before these new sectors start, are the existing pilots just going to work harder, or will they be recruiting very shortly? 
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Cloud cutter,
The jungle drums are saying that March 11,12 & 13 are the dates for the next interview round for Eagle. If that is the case, phone calls should be made shortly.
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The jungle drums are saying that March 11,12 & 13 are the dates for the next interview round for Eagle. If that is the case, phone calls should be made shortly.
Cheers
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BELOW MDA - CAA is not "forcing" Mt Cook, or anyway to purchase a SIM - but from 2005 all part 121 Operators will be required to USE a SIM for initial and recurrent training courses - their own, or a third party one doesn't matter - this has been "sitting" in Part 121 since its coming into force
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Eagle Interview
Hey all,
Any news on the proposed interviews in the second week of March yet???
Any one had a call yet??
(H)ere's (H)oping
Any news on the proposed interviews in the second week of March yet???
Any one had a call yet??
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Heard today that 11 people were interviewed by Air NSN some time during the last 2 weeks. Also heard that they may expect this to be the last interview group for 4-6 months.
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The ERJ is ideally suited to short sectors - we mint money on Leeds - Edinburgh and Leeds - Glasgow, although a 4 sector day out is a lot of work for 2.5 hours in the logbook. Comparatively inexpensive also. Well worth consideration.
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Yeah G-LOST, but the trouble is that the collective population of Leeds, Edinburgh or Glasgow is greater than that of the whole of New Zealand put together, so the law of averages says it's going to be a bit easier to fill the things.
Also despite the recent meteoric rise of the kiwi dollar, I would strongly suspect that a dozen EMB145's at about $US20million each might be biting off a bit too much for NSN's bank manager to chew
Also despite the recent meteoric rise of the kiwi dollar, I would strongly suspect that a dozen EMB145's at about $US20million each might be biting off a bit too much for NSN's bank manager to chew
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S2K, why - Is it due to a sim training backlog or have things suddenly ground to a halt - last I heard they were dropping their minimums, surely no point if they're waiting half a year? Still no word on Eagle's latest round, are they too playing wait and see, or just running behind?
It appears that Air NZ are still interviewing/hiring steadily. Cathay, on the other hand have shifted down a gear.
Can anyone shed anymore light - also what's happening in CHC (Chook, Pac Blue).
Cheers
- Is it due to a sim training backlog or have things suddenly ground to a halt - last I heard they were dropping their minimums, surely no point if they're waiting half a year? Still no word on Eagle's latest round, are they too playing wait and see, or just running behind?It appears that Air NZ are still interviewing/hiring steadily. Cathay, on the other hand have shifted down a gear.
Can anyone shed anymore light - also what's happening in CHC (Chook, Pac Blue).
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There could be one more intake after the currant rounds.
But the slowdown could possibly be due to training requirements (ie letting this lot get on with the job and/or giving the trg staff some leave...), or more likely due to a new type being introduced relatively soon and not wanting to re-train new pilots straight away.
There could be one more intake after the currant rounds.
But the slowdown could possibly be due to training requirements (ie letting this lot get on with the job and/or giving the trg staff some leave...), or more likely due to a new type being introduced relatively soon and not wanting to re-train new pilots straight away.
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