Crikey..Shenanigans in AIPA
It was interesting, for a second. 
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For all those reading, in the hallowed kingdom of QF, PPRune is regarded somewhat as a peasants forum, infested with amateurs,wannabes and the ill informed. Certainly nowhere a real pilot would argue the point.
A great pity really, as in a forum where true opinion can be freely promulgated, we may find the nucleus for an opportunity that may benefit our professional careers.
The future of the professional pilot in this country will rely on an organisation being formed that can address the very real issues all of us face with a bipartisan approach. Someone who can put aside individual company politics and get heads together for the collective good of the Australian professional aviator.
Someone with no hidden agenda, for management aspirations or similar advancement, who cares deeply for their fellow pilots future and the profession, regardless of individual company employment.
Where will we find such a person? Does such a person exist?
A great pity really, as in a forum where true opinion can be freely promulgated, we may find the nucleus for an opportunity that may benefit our professional careers.
The future of the professional pilot in this country will rely on an organisation being formed that can address the very real issues all of us face with a bipartisan approach. Someone who can put aside individual company politics and get heads together for the collective good of the Australian professional aviator.
Someone with no hidden agenda, for management aspirations or similar advancement, who cares deeply for their fellow pilots future and the profession, regardless of individual company employment.
Where will we find such a person? Does such a person exist?
Nunc est bibendum
Yeah but I'm too busy raising my family to do anything just now thanks. 
Did you mention modest as well? 
I agree with your first couple of para's bonvol. There is an unfortunate perception about PPRUNE from most 'senior' members of both the company and the association. Yeah, there is a bunch of crap on here from time to time but there is also considerable scope for effective discussion- if we can avoid playing the man.
Your second last paragraph is an interesting one. No one does anything in this world without some form of 'pay off'. It's interesting that in the work I do with the Air Force Cadets, we often get new staff joining (who are former cadets) saying how they are their to 'put something back' for the cadets. My follow up is 'what's your pay off' because if you're not getting something out of it, you won't last. Similarly with the association, we need people (and I'm not saying that we don't have them now- blokes like BJ for example) who's pay off is that 'we', the pilots of the QF group, get a better deal, and that the members concerned in working hard for that get to leave a legacy and/or the recognition they deserve for their hard work.
Anyway, I should leave that there. Woomera'll think that I've got a couple of more. By the way, thanks for that W, I laughed myself silly!
[Edited because I can't spell- and can't proof read either!
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Did you mention modest as well? I agree with your first couple of para's bonvol. There is an unfortunate perception about PPRUNE from most 'senior' members of both the company and the association. Yeah, there is a bunch of crap on here from time to time but there is also considerable scope for effective discussion- if we can avoid playing the man.
Your second last paragraph is an interesting one. No one does anything in this world without some form of 'pay off'. It's interesting that in the work I do with the Air Force Cadets, we often get new staff joining (who are former cadets) saying how they are their to 'put something back' for the cadets. My follow up is 'what's your pay off' because if you're not getting something out of it, you won't last. Similarly with the association, we need people (and I'm not saying that we don't have them now- blokes like BJ for example) who's pay off is that 'we', the pilots of the QF group, get a better deal, and that the members concerned in working hard for that get to leave a legacy and/or the recognition they deserve for their hard work.
Anyway, I should leave that there. Woomera'll think that I've got a couple of more. By the way, thanks for that W, I laughed myself silly!
[Edited because I can't spell- and can't proof read either!
)
Last edited by Keg; 21st Feb 2004 at 08:21.
such a person doesn't exist - it just isn't human nature.
You go in boots and all to protect your constituents and management kick you in the head - YOU are the person causing the trouble.
you protect yourself and you are a pussy, management wannabee.
the reality is, and this is not a purely QF thing, that unless our union reps are protected under legislation that is enforceable - our unions are a joke.
the afap is just as bad - they have no power, and to complicate things they also have past relationship issues just the same as QF
I reckon that we should go back to the future and re-amalgamate the airline arm of the AFAP with AIPA to provide airline crews with a single voice not influenced by secular interests - it wan't be a -400 club, or whatever....
OZALPA - the Australian Airline Pilot Association - line up here and vote yes or no....
You go in boots and all to protect your constituents and management kick you in the head - YOU are the person causing the trouble.
you protect yourself and you are a pussy, management wannabee.
the reality is, and this is not a purely QF thing, that unless our union reps are protected under legislation that is enforceable - our unions are a joke.
the afap is just as bad - they have no power, and to complicate things they also have past relationship issues just the same as QF
I reckon that we should go back to the future and re-amalgamate the airline arm of the AFAP with AIPA to provide airline crews with a single voice not influenced by secular interests - it wan't be a -400 club, or whatever....
OZALPA - the Australian Airline Pilot Association - line up here and vote yes or no....
Nunc est bibendum
DHD, it's called AusALPA and it already exists as a loose co-operation/coalition between AIPA and the AFAP. In fact, AusALPA (witih AIPA as lead co-ordinators) are hosting the IFALPA conference at the end of March in Sydney.
Other than that, I'm disappointed in your lack of faith in human nature. I can name half a dozen people out of the 1000 plus that I've flown with over the last nine years in QF who would qualify for bonvol's criteria.
Other than that, I'm disappointed in your lack of faith in human nature. I can name half a dozen people out of the 1000 plus that I've flown with over the last nine years in QF who would qualify for bonvol's criteria.
Keg,
half a dozen out of a thousand are pretty slim pickings! - though I take your point.
AusAlpa - where it consists of the AFAP and AIPA existing as two distinct entities is doomed to fail because of the secular interests that each group has to deal with - by far the largest AIRLINE group in the AFAP is the Virgin pilot body, and AIPA represents SOME of the QANTAS interests - note the word SOME..
AIPA - from what I hear - and I am not a QF pilot - seems dominated by the -400 drivers, which have a different set of imperatives than the domestic guys.
AIPA, correct me if I am wrong, also tried to have the AFAP chucked out of ALPA - so they won't gain too much trust from the AFAP side..
I reckon we need a combined pilot group - a PROPER ALPA rather than one that represents either the QF mainline guys/gals or the Virgin guys/gals
half a dozen out of a thousand are pretty slim pickings! - though I take your point.
AusAlpa - where it consists of the AFAP and AIPA existing as two distinct entities is doomed to fail because of the secular interests that each group has to deal with - by far the largest AIRLINE group in the AFAP is the Virgin pilot body, and AIPA represents SOME of the QANTAS interests - note the word SOME..
AIPA - from what I hear - and I am not a QF pilot - seems dominated by the -400 drivers, which have a different set of imperatives than the domestic guys.
AIPA, correct me if I am wrong, also tried to have the AFAP chucked out of ALPA - so they won't gain too much trust from the AFAP side..
I reckon we need a combined pilot group - a PROPER ALPA rather than one that represents either the QF mainline guys/gals or the Virgin guys/gals
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what a complete and absolute load of nonsence you lot are going on about!!
Want stability, unity, loyalty, honour, dignity, good conditions, good salary, good career, fair promotion and all that stuff?
Yeah!...sure you do!
Bull****!
You had it all up until 89'
And then you blew it...
hey! as you sow so shall you reap!
I go fishing these days and laugh and feel sorry for you lot!
In ya boot!
Want stability, unity, loyalty, honour, dignity, good conditions, good salary, good career, fair promotion and all that stuff?
Yeah!...sure you do!
Bull****!
You had it all up until 89'
And then you blew it...
hey! as you sow so shall you reap!
I go fishing these days and laugh and feel sorry for you lot!
In ya boot!
amos - you dill - not EVERYBODY was involved in the dispute, and a lot of us who were in GA at the time had NO means of influencing events.
so why should we not try now?
if i remember correctly the split occured prior to 89
so why should we not try now?
if i remember correctly the split occured prior to 89
Nunc est bibendum
LOL. Amos, I was 18 years old when the dispute happened and had about 30 hours of flying under my belt! I had such a major impact on issues! 
Nice try at a wind up though!
Nice try at a wind up though!
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yeah......you had it all...... and then along came the AFAP and decided to take on abeles, hawke, murdoch & co. for a lousy 29.73333% pay rise when every other bloodey worker in Oz was tied to the accord and guess what happened ?
the big boss Brian Mac says all stick together so the rank and file either retire, rack off overseas, move in on GA jobs or sign contracts with the airlines.
fu**ing good one and was always going to be a winner - only better plans were the 9 to 5 campaign and resigning.
so you just keep reaping and sowing aimee and let the boys who are still in the flying game do their best to salvage the can of sh*t left over by the AFAP.
the big boss Brian Mac says all stick together so the rank and file either retire, rack off overseas, move in on GA jobs or sign contracts with the airlines.
fu**ing good one and was always going to be a winner - only better plans were the 9 to 5 campaign and resigning.
so you just keep reaping and sowing aimee and let the boys who are still in the flying game do their best to salvage the can of sh*t left over by the AFAP.
