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Sunstate Psych and Skills
Can anyone confirm that Sunstate is now using the Qantas Psych and Skills test for all new recruits and have access to all past attempts.
I hear the reason is so they can assign you a seniority number and after a few years you can transfer to Qantas main stream as an S.O on 744 ect.
Does this mean they will recruit from Easterns / Sunstate only instead of off the street as well?
I hear the reason is so they can assign you a seniority number and after a few years you can transfer to Qantas main stream as an S.O on 744 ect.
Does this mean they will recruit from Easterns / Sunstate only instead of off the street as well?
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Can anyone confirm that Sunstate is now using the Qantas Psych and Skills test for all new recruits and have access to all past attempts.
I hear the reason is so they can assign you a seniority number and after a few years you can transfer to Qantas main stream as an S.O on 744 ect.
Does this mean they will recruit from Easterns / Sunstate only instead of off the street as well?
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I can only agree with Jarse. Whilst not really in the QF camp, and not trying to get in, I did work in a past life for Sykywest Aviation, when that organisation was owned by ATI (Ansett Transport Industries) and News Corp.
There was almost always talk about getting in at the bottom (Skywest) and then progressing into Ansett mainline.
Reality shows that whilst a few did manage it, most didn't. I've long been of the opinion if that you want to get into Qantas, or back then Ansett, Don't take a job with a subsidiary company, as the multiple training costs will always work against the subsidiary staff being promoted.
I can only agree with Jarse. Whilst not really in the QF camp, and not trying to get in, I did work in a past life for Sykywest Aviation, when that organisation was owned by ATI (Ansett Transport Industries) and News Corp.
There was almost always talk about getting in at the bottom (Skywest) and then progressing into Ansett mainline.
Reality shows that whilst a few did manage it, most didn't. I've long been of the opinion if that you want to get into Qantas, or back then Ansett, Don't take a job with a subsidiary company, as the multiple training costs will always work against the subsidiary staff being promoted.
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Its amazing.
QF are doing a lot of navel gazing at the moment and have come up with some brilliant changes...getting rid of Senior Check Capt titles is but one, vertical promotion another.
Top stuff and sure to make a big difference to standards
Telling the beanies to nick off and placing all new hires in subsidiaries and giving them a career path is the best way to get a broad range of experience into the hallowed 744 cockpit.
This was the way it was done pre that dreaded year and produced good solid operators. A few losers will always sneak through but by and large its the best way IMO. Turnover in Eastern etc would end overnight and thats got to save some dough in itself.
Just a dream...I've woken up now. Off to study the FAM and commit to memory wot checkies are called now. Sure to be in the next sim session!
QF are doing a lot of navel gazing at the moment and have come up with some brilliant changes...getting rid of Senior Check Capt titles is but one, vertical promotion another.
Top stuff and sure to make a big difference to standards
Telling the beanies to nick off and placing all new hires in subsidiaries and giving them a career path is the best way to get a broad range of experience into the hallowed 744 cockpit.
This was the way it was done pre that dreaded year and produced good solid operators. A few losers will always sneak through but by and large its the best way IMO. Turnover in Eastern etc would end overnight and thats got to save some dough in itself.
Just a dream...I've woken up now. Off to study the FAM and commit to memory wot checkies are called now. Sure to be in the next sim session!
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Guys and Girls,
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working for a QF subsidiary actually reduces your chances of being hired by mainline.
I know of a few people at Eastern and Sunstate that are on the Qantas hold file.
They have completed all the stages and one has just been called for a mouth x-ray and security check.
Doesn't this show that you can progress from the regionals to mainline.
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working for a QF subsidiary actually reduces your chances of being hired by mainline.
I know of a few people at Eastern and Sunstate that are on the Qantas hold file.
They have completed all the stages and one has just been called for a mouth x-ray and security check.
Doesn't this show that you can progress from the regionals to mainline.
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Gods Kitchen,
no-one here is saying you can't progress from baby red rats to the big red rat. However, generally speaking it is not as common a practice as it should be!!! If there was a greater chance of a slot as a second officer, less easterns/ sunnies guys/girls would of forked out for their 737 NG endorsements for DJ.
no-one here is saying you can't progress from baby red rats to the big red rat. However, generally speaking it is not as common a practice as it should be!!! If there was a greater chance of a slot as a second officer, less easterns/ sunnies guys/girls would of forked out for their 737 NG endorsements for DJ.
Numbers from little rats to the Mother Rat
I think you will find the movement from little rat to big rat is about the same percentage as GA/Military applicants to successful slots in QF mainline. I don't think flying for a subsid is a disadvantage. I do believe in a perfect world it should be an advantage (but this is simply my opinion) . Seniority numbers and future progression for the regional boys and girls may happen but it won't be next week
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Had an interview with Sunstate a few weeks ago and I can confirm that Qantas Stage 1 is a must for entry.
(I did QF testing a few years ago)
I wouldnt worry too much. I know a bloke that just got a start date with Sunnies and he didnt progress further than QS1 a year back.
I think it's just a tick in the box for Sunstate.
Now if anyone can tell me Sunstate's course start dates beyond Feb 11 then that would be great.
(I did QF testing a few years ago)
I wouldnt worry too much. I know a bloke that just got a start date with Sunnies and he didnt progress further than QS1 a year back.
I think it's just a tick in the box for Sunstate.
Now if anyone can tell me Sunstate's course start dates beyond Feb 11 then that would be great.
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The best way to get into Sunstate is join Coastwatch, get your Dash-8 endorsement, and then you will definitely get a start.
As there is no chance of progression to the Big Q, Sunnies are paranoid about losing guys to VB
They don't want to provide endorsements to blokes that they know they will lose to VB, so they poach them from Coastwatch.
Instead of Q providing a career path for their own subsidiaries, they let these well-trained and skilled guys go to VB.
Smart thinking boys.
Keep up the good work !!!!!!!!!!!!
As there is no chance of progression to the Big Q, Sunnies are paranoid about losing guys to VB
They don't want to provide endorsements to blokes that they know they will lose to VB, so they poach them from Coastwatch.
Instead of Q providing a career path for their own subsidiaries, they let these well-trained and skilled guys go to VB.
Smart thinking boys.
Keep up the good work !!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think you will find the movement from little rat to big rat is about the same percentage as GA/Military applicants to successful slots in QF mainline
How many pilots has QF hired in the last 9 years?
Many more subsidiary pilots have been hired by Virgin Blue since it's inception than QF have in the last 9 years.
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How do the coastwatch guys transition to RPT flying ??
Ive never heard them above 5000ft........ Do they freak out at flight levels ??
One guy up here was telling me hes lucky to do 2 landings a week. What are their skills like !?
Ive never heard them above 5000ft........ Do they freak out at flight levels ??
One guy up here was telling me hes lucky to do 2 landings a week. What are their skills like !?
Apart from the odd nose bleed above 5000'
Okay H.J. The numbers in that light are rather depressing for the regional rats but I think a whole lot of factors are seldom considered. The number taken from the little rats should be compared to the Total of THEIR pilot body (definately not Qf's recruitment numbers over the last nine years) minus all who have not passed the Qf process previously (whether they went through the process while at a little rat or previous). I really think that Qf couldn't give a rats whether you work for a regional owned by them or not. I think the selection process is individually executed.
To qualify my statement I must also point out I do not work for anything with a red tail just an unbiased observer with my ears to the ground.
To qualify my statement I must also point out I do not work for anything with a red tail just an unbiased observer with my ears to the ground.
Hugh Jarse and Capt. Claret are right on here guys, I only know of 1 (yes one) guy going to mainline from regional in the last 2 and a bit years.
And if the story is correct, QF thought he was coming from Hazelton and didn't realise he was with Eastern
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And if the story is correct, QF thought he was coming from Hazelton and didn't realise he was with Eastern
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Gods kitchen,
it doesn't matter what stage in the qantas testing you get up to, if you don't get a start date, you may not get the job.
3 yrs ago I completed all stages of the interview at QF, including medical and security check, only to be told a few weeks later that they changed their mind and took me off the hold file, with no explaination !
Since joining EAA i've never heard anything from them again.
I'm sure there are lot's more with the experience.
it doesn't matter what stage in the qantas testing you get up to, if you don't get a start date, you may not get the job.
3 yrs ago I completed all stages of the interview at QF, including medical and security check, only to be told a few weeks later that they changed their mind and took me off the hold file, with no explaination !
Since joining EAA i've never heard anything from them again.
I'm sure there are lot's more with the experience.
