Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
Reload this Page >

Are two Dicks better than one? (New Avcharging)

Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

Are two Dicks better than one? (New Avcharging)

Old 13th Jan 2004, 03:01
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Oz
Posts: 21
Are two Dicks better than one? (New Avcharging)

Given the significant angst over the efficiencies allegedly introduced by NAS, the 2 Dicks may well get their way. Dick Smith wants the airspace to continue to roll-out and Dick Branson wants some pricing efficiency – rumour has it that the next phase post NAS2C will include revelations about the pricing restructure.

Current issues include dropping avgas levy altogether such that VFRs will pay only for the service they want, and flexible terminal charging such that users who require premium services pay for them. “No delays into Sydney – sure we can accommodate that.” – 5% premium over standard fees. Virgin would save significantly in peak fuel costs due holding reductions that would more than cover the 5% premium.

The sweetener for big Dick Airspace Reformer would be that the roadblocks being put in place by the heavy metal end of Australian aviation would magically disappear… Money rules.
DickyBaby is offline  
Old 13th Jan 2004, 05:56
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The land down-under
Posts: 127
Are you kidding?

Of course 2 dicks are better than one - ask any shark. This aside it sounds like this would be a slot auction. Best price gets no delay, following traffic pays reducing terminal charges until you get the next to nothing deal where you land when Airservices gets around to it!

Anything that makes VFR free both money and tracking wise has got to be good, doesn't it?
Dick N. Cider is offline  
Old 13th Jan 2004, 08:15
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Planet Plazbot
Posts: 1,003
Hah sounds fairly typical. I can see the arguments over the air ground. 'Brisbane what is that QFA 76 paying you. I'll DOUBLE IT!' then the QFA dude will pipe up 'Hang on I'll see your double and raise you a half (in the back ground is heard...climb crossing climb! climb crossing climb! climb, climb now! as one of the hear no evil see all evil smashers of bugs ploughs across his bow as all this bartering takes away from see and avoid)

I wonder what the AIP approved currency will be for these bartering sequences? Will the Americans be assumed to be bidding in US dollars? What about the POMS? Sterling? We have a winner! Will ATC have to disperse congregations of aircraft in holding patterns so that they don't pose a terrorist threat because they forgot their wallet or it is the day before pay day?

Australian Aviation. Beautiful one day, dicked the next.
tobzalp is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2004, 19:19
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Queensland
Posts: 134
Too Many Dickheads !

Would all you dickheads above give us all a break.

Like most things in this big cruel world, aviation has to undergo change. It cannot live in the 60's and 70's and I have been around too since the 'good old days' of DCA.

There is obviously a lot of angst among the full-time RPT pilot fraternity, most of it unwarranted.
The NAS and other reforms can work although may need some adjustments over time with sensible feedback and suggestions.

A lot of sqawking going on and most of it politically motivated.

Good on yer Dick ! (and others).
hadagutful is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2004, 19:37
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Adrift upon the tides of fate
Posts: 1,839
A lot of sqawking going on
Shame it's not going on in VFR aircraft. Might give the RPT guy's TCAS half a chance.

Any change is good change, right? Yeh, right.

It cannot live in the 60's and 70's
It doesn't. But that's where NAS comes from. Maybe you should do some research? If you want to 'reform' the airspace, changing to a dated US model can hardly be "sensible".

oh, and
although may need some adjustments over time with sensible feedback and suggestions
what do you think the professionals are trying to achieve? Why don't you try and suggest some changes, and see where it get's you? Then you might understand the frustration being vented here.

most of it politically motivated
Now you're talking. There can be no other reason for NAS except politics.
ferris is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2004, 19:47
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Planet Plazbot
Posts: 1,003
Don't waste you time George, he/it is the latest sacrifice at the altar via AOPA.
tobzalp is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.