Virgin Atlantic to AUS mid 2004
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Fifth Freedom rights allow a carrier to uplift pax between countries other than their home country ie Virgin Atlantic flying LHR - SYD (via HKG). Without fifth freedom rights Virgin would not be able to uplift pax on the HKG - SYD sector which would mean that with some pax having disembarked in HKG the aircraft flys onto SYD only half full. This is obviously not good economics so most airlines will not operate a route without fifth freedom rights.
Cathay is still strongly lobbying the HKG authorities not to give Qantas rights to the HKG - LHR route, so Qantas has applied for the SYD - SHA - LHR route but still needs approval from the Pommie authorities. At present Virgin Atlantic is in a very good position.
Fifth Freedom rights allow a carrier to uplift pax between countries other than their home country ie Virgin Atlantic flying LHR - SYD (via HKG). Without fifth freedom rights Virgin would not be able to uplift pax on the HKG - SYD sector which would mean that with some pax having disembarked in HKG the aircraft flys onto SYD only half full. This is obviously not good economics so most airlines will not operate a route without fifth freedom rights.
Cathay is still strongly lobbying the HKG authorities not to give Qantas rights to the HKG - LHR route, so Qantas has applied for the SYD - SHA - LHR route but still needs approval from the Pommie authorities. At present Virgin Atlantic is in a very good position.
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So its the HKG authorities (the middle people) that decide on 5th freedom rights. So why would they allow Virgin Atlantic to operate LHR-HKG-SYD if its gonna be detrimental to Cathay? For Cathay to operate HKG-LHR-JFK would require the UK authorities approval? So did the HKG and UK authorities get together and come up with this agreement?
So if Qantas was to get 5th freedom rights through HKG would require Australia to give Cathay 5th freedom rights through SYD to say LAX or similar? Also does this then mean the current 5th freedom rights that Qantas has through SIN and BKK is not currently offset by anything ie Singair or Thai do not use SYD as a middle port and go on to somewhere further?
So if Qantas was to get 5th freedom rights through HKG would require Australia to give Cathay 5th freedom rights through SYD to say LAX or similar? Also does this then mean the current 5th freedom rights that Qantas has through SIN and BKK is not currently offset by anything ie Singair or Thai do not use SYD as a middle port and go on to somewhere further?
