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The area frequency boundaries have been removed from the ERC Low, replaced by an indication of the outlet location only.
The FIA boundaries are not circles of regular dimension based on the outlet location but polygons drawn to try to ensure that traffic "junctions" are all on the same freq.
At any given point the actual area frequency may not be the outlet to which you are closest. If you just pick the closest outlet and guess wrong, you will not hear the jet on descent rapidly gobbling you up.
Remember, the majority of collisions occur with a faster aircraft hitting slower preceeding traffic.
Got eyes in the back of your head have you?
The FIA boundaries are not circles of regular dimension based on the outlet location but polygons drawn to try to ensure that traffic "junctions" are all on the same freq.
At any given point the actual area frequency may not be the outlet to which you are closest. If you just pick the closest outlet and guess wrong, you will not hear the jet on descent rapidly gobbling you up.
Remember, the majority of collisions occur with a faster aircraft hitting slower preceeding traffic.
Got eyes in the back of your head have you?
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No I have not got eyes in the back of my head but you have only one that is. Call the frequencies what you want but they are in fact the same as the old area frequencies easily transfered onto any VFR map. I suggest you wake up to yourself and talk about something you actually know about instead of this waffle.
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No I have not got eyes in the back of my head but you have only one that is. Call the frequencies what you want but they are in fact the same as the old area frequencies easily transfered onto any VFR map. I suggest you wake up to yourself and talk about something you actually know about instead of this waffle.
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You seem to like hinting that you have something to do with this NAS rubbish. You yourself state that you will just be writing the frequencies on the VFR maps. Why I ask are they not there in the first place. Asshat.
You seem to like hinting that you have something to do with this NAS rubbish. You yourself state that you will just be writing the frequencies on the VFR maps. Why I ask are they not there in the first place. Asshat.
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2B1, y'know I have to admire the feelings of mutual respect that radiate from your well-considered opinions. It's not easy to discuss things with somebody who has so obviously started from the point of 100% confidence in their own soap box, but I'll give it a go.
If you put the "green lines" from your old charts on your new ones you will not neccessarily get what you wanted. As WWT well knows, some of the "green lines" move on Thursday. Other places where different frequencies are used at different levels the levels have changed. In other areas Dick's biscuits will show you the G frequency, the E traffic will be on another. The frequencies displayed are only there for contact with ATC, NOT to display the "appropriate" frequency. A complete faith that you know the frequency the aircraft around you are on from the previous chart is misplaced. If you are relying on this for your personal peace of mind, bad luck.
WWT and myself, topzalp and many of the others you are dismissing have now completed their NAS training, have spent days in the classroom, in the simulator and in workshops nutting out the details of what is being implemented. We can see how much the real aeroplanes will be d1cked around to give a minute minority absolute priority in the sky. Your fundamentalist zeal is interesting, but please think about the issues and use both hands on the keyboard next time.
If you put the "green lines" from your old charts on your new ones you will not neccessarily get what you wanted. As WWT well knows, some of the "green lines" move on Thursday. Other places where different frequencies are used at different levels the levels have changed. In other areas Dick's biscuits will show you the G frequency, the E traffic will be on another. The frequencies displayed are only there for contact with ATC, NOT to display the "appropriate" frequency. A complete faith that you know the frequency the aircraft around you are on from the previous chart is misplaced. If you are relying on this for your personal peace of mind, bad luck.
WWT and myself, topzalp and many of the others you are dismissing have now completed their NAS training, have spent days in the classroom, in the simulator and in workshops nutting out the details of what is being implemented. We can see how much the real aeroplanes will be d1cked around to give a minute minority absolute priority in the sky. Your fundamentalist zeal is interesting, but please think about the issues and use both hands on the keyboard next time.
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Hey Spodman, haven't done the training, cos over here E airspace is considered dangerous (I wonder why) and the powers that be will have none of it. But from my NAS training care of Pprune contradicted all that 2B1ask1 has said, so it is obvious he hasn't even had the decency to read all the threads before he comes on here, and spouts off.
Many of the pilots, including a member of the AOPA board have said that while they will give NAS a try and reserve their judgement till after, have condemned the removal off the frequencys and boundarys from the charts. They labelled it moronic.
Many of the pilots, including a member of the AOPA board have said that while they will give NAS a try and reserve their judgement till after, have condemned the removal off the frequencys and boundarys from the charts. They labelled it moronic.
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I have said it before and...
The closest near hit I ever had was caused by a #$#@# regional, and that was 4 years pre NAS.
Nov 27 changes nuffin, and while I personally might agree about frequencies, that can be fixed with lobbying, fer chr!sts sake, it is just a reprint.
Wishy washy cowardly regional whinging ain't gonna fix nuffin, because unlike the GA pilots you seem to dislike, you regionals ain't got a cohesive lobby group
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The closest near hit I ever had was caused by a #$#@# regional, and that was 4 years pre NAS.
Nov 27 changes nuffin, and while I personally might agree about frequencies, that can be fixed with lobbying, fer chr!sts sake, it is just a reprint.
Wishy washy cowardly regional whinging ain't gonna fix nuffin, because unlike the GA pilots you seem to dislike, you regionals ain't got a cohesive lobby group
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Snarek, this may not be news to you, seeing as you are so cock sure about everything, but there's quite a few'professional GA drivers out there who think the proposed system has flaws in the system and in its implementation.
I still find it amazing that the two greatest proponents of the NAS, the two Smiths made brief appearnaces on these forums and when the questions got more than superficial, they disappeared.
I still find it amazing that the two greatest proponents of the NAS, the two Smiths made brief appearnaces on these forums and when the questions got more than superficial, they disappeared.
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you regionals ain't got a cohesive lobby group
Too bad about the powerless mugs who have to work in aviation every day.
It's only going to get uglier from here. Good to see you helping the opposing powers face off, Mr Kerans. (BTW- you have a serious case of professional envy).
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"Cohesive Lobby Group"......... And that would be?????
The only 3 near misses I have had have been caused by *&^%%%$( weekend warriors....... also pre NAS. What exactly does that prove???????
The only 3 near misses I have had have been caused by *&^%%%$( weekend warriors....... also pre NAS. What exactly does that prove???????
