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Gday Soph
Thank's for the tips and pardon me if I reciprocate.
Beware of "friends" and Futures. May lose some of your property.
The industry is slowly picking up abroad, shortages of qualified pilots. Airlines that slashed pilot conditions post Sept 11 are now finding that their training departments struggling. Growth and pilot attrition!
And on the home front there is a huge demand for pilots in Australia- LCC & Pacific Blue, Virgin and QF. And what do Australian pilots do? Undercut each other.
Thank's for the tips and pardon me if I reciprocate.
Beware of "friends" and Futures. May lose some of your property.
The industry is slowly picking up abroad, shortages of qualified pilots. Airlines that slashed pilot conditions post Sept 11 are now finding that their training departments struggling. Growth and pilot attrition!
And on the home front there is a huge demand for pilots in Australia- LCC & Pacific Blue, Virgin and QF. And what do Australian pilots do? Undercut each other.
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Gnadenburg,
You seem to have a very short Memory. The QF Jumbo at Bangkok a few years back was a a total debacle. Gve us the details of these overruns you talk about?
Overruns happen all the time, its a factor of alot of things, and I dont think it would be wise to confine it to LCCs.
Exactly and what Jobs are becoming more available? LCC Jobs my friend. Not AA or UA or Delta or NorthWest! As I said before we are in transition, new thinking and progress go hand in hand.
You say that QF are Recruiting, maybe their LCCs are, but I think Mainline QF have shut the gate for now.
Sheep
P.S. Sophie sounds like you need a change. "Come to Jamaica Mon"
You seem to have a very short Memory. The QF Jumbo at Bangkok a few years back was a a total debacle. Gve us the details of these overruns you talk about?
Overruns happen all the time, its a factor of alot of things, and I dont think it would be wise to confine it to LCCs.
The industry is slowly picking up abroad, shortages of qualified pilots
You say that QF are Recruiting, maybe their LCCs are, but I think Mainline QF have shut the gate for now.
Sheep
P.S. Sophie sounds like you need a change. "Come to Jamaica Mon"
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Sheep, you forgot Southwest. The big difference is that both Jet blue and Southwest didn't pay their techies 38% less than the going rate. They were creative at how they looked at costs (your lap top example). QF aren't being creative and Aussie pilots are falling over themselves to be uncreative and attack their own perviously held decent conditions.
I know why the Impulse guys are keen. For the captains it guarantees their futures, for the F/Os, it is a massive pay rise as with 25 aircraft, they'll all get commands within the next two years. That doesn't mean it's not short sighted though!
I know why the Impulse guys are keen. For the captains it guarantees their futures, for the F/Os, it is a massive pay rise as with 25 aircraft, they'll all get commands within the next two years. That doesn't mean it's not short sighted though!
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Just a question for all of you so protective of your FF, OW, Star points.
How often are you able to redeem them, and if you are able to are they the sectors you really want to fly, when you want to fly? I know CH9 ACA program can beef up a lot of their segments but they recently reported more and more people are losing faith in the whole point system as they are finding it more and more difficult to redeem points. There was something about QF changing their rewards from KM's travelled to Miles resulting in less points earnt per flight. If it's getting harder to use these points, and personally I believe it is, whats the point. If you want full service (in Australia) then you can get it at the same price as DJ, sometimes less. It may take a bit of searching but they are there. A mate of mine is a platinum member of the QF program and even he is finding it difficult to burn. He does however find it easier to travel through Asia on points with carriers such at Finair.
Anyway it's just a question and I'm not trying to upset anyone, I just don't see the point in "points". Are they really worth saving?
Unfortunaltely flying these days is like catching a bus, everyones done it, fares are low and it gets you from A to B, quickly. Safety is imperative and thats where your money should go. The glamour and romance has unfortunately gone as more and more people are flying and have higher demands such as getting there on time over what inflight service is offered. Long haul travel is getting shorter due to newer and more comfortable aircraft with more facilities we could never have dreamed of.
Sometimes the taxi fare to the airport costs more and can be longer than the flight, you dont expect the driver to whip out a picnic basket. What I am saying is you know what to expect when booking your fare. These days you know what you are getting with your fare, I know DJ make it clear and hot breakfasts on QF are long gone, and I really miss the Ansett breakfast. But times have changed. Flying is a mode of transport now and not a luxury. It's affordable to most and even before DJ came in with their invisible discount fares, fares have come down.
How often are you able to redeem them, and if you are able to are they the sectors you really want to fly, when you want to fly? I know CH9 ACA program can beef up a lot of their segments but they recently reported more and more people are losing faith in the whole point system as they are finding it more and more difficult to redeem points. There was something about QF changing their rewards from KM's travelled to Miles resulting in less points earnt per flight. If it's getting harder to use these points, and personally I believe it is, whats the point. If you want full service (in Australia) then you can get it at the same price as DJ, sometimes less. It may take a bit of searching but they are there. A mate of mine is a platinum member of the QF program and even he is finding it difficult to burn. He does however find it easier to travel through Asia on points with carriers such at Finair.
Anyway it's just a question and I'm not trying to upset anyone, I just don't see the point in "points". Are they really worth saving?
Unfortunaltely flying these days is like catching a bus, everyones done it, fares are low and it gets you from A to B, quickly. Safety is imperative and thats where your money should go. The glamour and romance has unfortunately gone as more and more people are flying and have higher demands such as getting there on time over what inflight service is offered. Long haul travel is getting shorter due to newer and more comfortable aircraft with more facilities we could never have dreamed of.
Sometimes the taxi fare to the airport costs more and can be longer than the flight, you dont expect the driver to whip out a picnic basket. What I am saying is you know what to expect when booking your fare. These days you know what you are getting with your fare, I know DJ make it clear and hot breakfasts on QF are long gone, and I really miss the Ansett breakfast. But times have changed. Flying is a mode of transport now and not a luxury. It's affordable to most and even before DJ came in with their invisible discount fares, fares have come down.
Sheep Guts
The market has rewarded Australian military and GA pilots with endorsement training and good renumeration in very recent years gone by.
The market is ready to do it again.
But it has been distorted and betrayed by the "professionals" themselves.
"What to do"?
If you guys are buying NG endorsements to fly for 70K a year I have an idea to fund my early retiremnet.
Pyramid letters for pilots. Not even an oxymoron ring to it!
The market has rewarded Australian military and GA pilots with endorsement training and good renumeration in very recent years gone by.
The market is ready to do it again.
But it has been distorted and betrayed by the "professionals" themselves.
"What to do"?
If you guys are buying NG endorsements to fly for 70K a year I have an idea to fund my early retiremnet.
Pyramid letters for pilots. Not even an oxymoron ring to it!
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I couldn`t let this one pass ,but what bitterness,It looks as if our friend has found out what it is like to lose ones livlihood,only the one he lost was never his in the first place,it belonged to; what did he call them, 89`ers.
He is right tho; Austalian aviation has returned to what it was like in the early 60`s.
It took many years to develope a strong union that was wholly representitive of pilot`s and in 89 the union was put out of business by opportunism and greed.
It will take many years to rebuild a pilots union,but it wont be in our lifetime as there is one thing that has been lost and that is trust.
we let people dictate to us and run our working lives and these very people were the first to grab themselves a job when the going got tough.
To the person who started this thread;get off your backside and get back into what was once the greatest job going,only this time,dont do it at someone else`s expense
He is right tho; Austalian aviation has returned to what it was like in the early 60`s.
It took many years to develope a strong union that was wholly representitive of pilot`s and in 89 the union was put out of business by opportunism and greed.
It will take many years to rebuild a pilots union,but it wont be in our lifetime as there is one thing that has been lost and that is trust.
we let people dictate to us and run our working lives and these very people were the first to grab themselves a job when the going got tough.
To the person who started this thread;get off your backside and get back into what was once the greatest job going,only this time,dont do it at someone else`s expense
