QF LCC to recruit externally..
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QF LCC to recruit externally..
You heard it here first..
Qantas will be recruiting externally for their new low-cost operation,more specifically,DJ 737 rated and experienced pilots will be "encouraged" to apply.
And why not? Seems to me like a very smart ploy to attack "Skimpy's" obvious target...Virgin Blue.
It's no secret that all is not well in the DJ camp,and I have no doubt that most would jump ship given half a chance,and surely GD is aware of this.
This is not a wind,my source is VERY close to the pulse,and can be regarded as extremely reliable,however,i'll believe it when I see it.
What do you all think? And DJ drivers,what would it take to lure you over to the self appointed "SKYGODS"?
Qantas will be recruiting externally for their new low-cost operation,more specifically,DJ 737 rated and experienced pilots will be "encouraged" to apply.
And why not? Seems to me like a very smart ploy to attack "Skimpy's" obvious target...Virgin Blue.
It's no secret that all is not well in the DJ camp,and I have no doubt that most would jump ship given half a chance,and surely GD is aware of this.
This is not a wind,my source is VERY close to the pulse,and can be regarded as extremely reliable,however,i'll believe it when I see it.
What do you all think? And DJ drivers,what would it take to lure you over to the self appointed "SKYGODS"?
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I heard today that the Line Maintenance or possibly all Engineering is going to be outsourced whatever type of aircraft is decided on. I also heard that the only pre-flight check done by Engineering will be the first flight of the day. The new LCC might be going to be crewed by Mainline but it could be interesting times for alot of other staff.
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I think there are few S/O's getting around who would like a 73 F/O slot that would not like to see external recruitment of this LCC. This will put back upgrade dates back a long way.
The logical answer to who will crew it is Mainline but stranger things have happened in this industry since my humble beginnings
The logical answer to who will crew it is Mainline but stranger things have happened in this industry since my humble beginnings
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Wiff Wiff, can I smell a little nervousness in amongst the mainline 73 lads. Capt's on mid 200's and F/O's low to middish 100's. MMMMM, will this last ???? Sadly. me dont think so. It's only a matter of time before the faggot bean counters begin to rape yet another part of the profession. As many posts before this have said, "What are we going to do about it". Well, I dont think working from 9 till 5 will help and yeeeekks, let's not mention STRIKE.!!!!!!!!!!
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There seem to be three types of people in this world of pprune.
1. Those who work for QF Mainline and enjoy reasonable (but still substantially less than their US and EUR counterparts) pay and conditions. Though sometimes appearing divided in their opinions, they generally work hard to keep their lot, and expand it where possible. They believe that pilots have for the most part worked hard to get to their position, and that a decent wage for their skill and experience is deserved.
2. The silent majority. These people who work for other carriers than QF Mainline (such as regionals, airconnex, VB etc) and believe that they need to earn more for what they do, have advancement potential, and sound job benefits. These people generally keep their tongue, and if anything deserve respect for it.
3. Then there are the "others". These people work at undermining the QF mainline pilots at any cost. Ironically, they don't seem to care if it affects their own lot, as long as it casts doubt in the beancounters minds about what QF drivers earn. The self destructive behaviour of these people has to be seen to be believed.
The purpose of this post is to highlight the lack of logic behind comments like yours, Cruze. Whilst you have every right to have your opinion, IMHO you should be looking to raise your benefits, rather than bring down the benefits of your QF cousins. It will help us all in the long run.
1. Those who work for QF Mainline and enjoy reasonable (but still substantially less than their US and EUR counterparts) pay and conditions. Though sometimes appearing divided in their opinions, they generally work hard to keep their lot, and expand it where possible. They believe that pilots have for the most part worked hard to get to their position, and that a decent wage for their skill and experience is deserved.
2. The silent majority. These people who work for other carriers than QF Mainline (such as regionals, airconnex, VB etc) and believe that they need to earn more for what they do, have advancement potential, and sound job benefits. These people generally keep their tongue, and if anything deserve respect for it.
3. Then there are the "others". These people work at undermining the QF mainline pilots at any cost. Ironically, they don't seem to care if it affects their own lot, as long as it casts doubt in the beancounters minds about what QF drivers earn. The self destructive behaviour of these people has to be seen to be believed.
The purpose of this post is to highlight the lack of logic behind comments like yours, Cruze. Whilst you have every right to have your opinion, IMHO you should be looking to raise your benefits, rather than bring down the benefits of your QF cousins. It will help us all in the long run.
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Well young Vas
it is true. I also was in Qcc the other day seeing a friend
who told me that despite the weak asurances of our union Skimpy will employ Tech outside.
And yes, first up it will be type rated 737. He said although they are expecting backlash from us at mainline they figure now is the time to start the breakup of tech mainline in the wage structure.
Plus it is designed to have a two prong effect....ie the sceond being the taking of many DJ guys will slow things up for them significantly.
No word on the renumeration yet but he said whispers are 170 -180 for left seat, 120 - 130 for right seat. Enough to bring our left seat wages down but enough above DJ to bring them over.
Yes it easy to just say " no it will never happin to us" but do we really believe that.
I hope not. As you say a lot of our S/o and junior FOs will find upgrading come to a snails pace and that would be a shame for those guys.
Came close to the pulse as another here said and I do think it will happin.
it is true. I also was in Qcc the other day seeing a friend
who told me that despite the weak asurances of our union Skimpy will employ Tech outside.
And yes, first up it will be type rated 737. He said although they are expecting backlash from us at mainline they figure now is the time to start the breakup of tech mainline in the wage structure.
Plus it is designed to have a two prong effect....ie the sceond being the taking of many DJ guys will slow things up for them significantly.
No word on the renumeration yet but he said whispers are 170 -180 for left seat, 120 - 130 for right seat. Enough to bring our left seat wages down but enough above DJ to bring them over.
Yes it easy to just say " no it will never happin to us" but do we really believe that.
I hope not. As you say a lot of our S/o and junior FOs will find upgrading come to a snails pace and that would be a shame for those guys.
Came close to the pulse as another here said and I do think it will happin.
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Its interesting to go back and do a search around the time Australian Airlines was announced. Quite enlightening. We had the same 'certain' rumours about the crewing (AWOPs were the shoe ins at that stage). Everyone was bagging AIPA, Kaptin M et al were advocating industrial action by mainline pilots.
An exercise (in futility probably): Draw up a page with PPrune on the left and Reality on the right. Write down all dead set certain rumours on the left and what actually happened on the left. Work out a percentage of PPrune to Reality - this is otherwise known as the bull**** factor
An exercise (in futility probably): Draw up a page with PPrune on the left and Reality on the right. Write down all dead set certain rumours on the left and what actually happened on the left. Work out a percentage of PPrune to Reality - this is otherwise known as the bull**** factor
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So where do we sign?
I'm with you metro boy!
With numbers like those mentioned by GPS there will be nothing but the eerie sound of tumbleweed left behind in the DJ crew room.
With numbers like those mentioned by GPS there will be nothing but the eerie sound of tumbleweed left behind in the DJ crew room.
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My two cents worth.
If the wages offered were enough to entice 737 drivers away from VB, then it would certainly be enough for mainline F/Os and S/Os to bid for upgrades in the new LCC. Plus, for the company, crewing with mainline pilots would offer them the advantage of being able to respray the planes and ask the boys to come to work in their mainline uniforms if the LCC didn't work out.
If the wages offered were enough to entice 737 drivers away from VB, then it would certainly be enough for mainline F/Os and S/Os to bid for upgrades in the new LCC. Plus, for the company, crewing with mainline pilots would offer them the advantage of being able to respray the planes and ask the boys to come to work in their mainline uniforms if the LCC didn't work out.
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So is this good or bad?
So what will be the average effect on industry standard remuneration?
Are the numbers suggested above a bad thing, because they will lower average domestic airline salary by reducing from QF rates, or
Are the numbers a good thing because it will raise the average domestic airline salary by being above the DJ rates?
I guess it depends on who wins, who hires the most pilots, and how big the delta is either way.
Either way I would love to be faced with this dilemna, but will have to get a job with an airline first...
That is enough brain space occupied for this Friday afternoon.
Regards,
...If one synchronised swimmer drowns, do the rest drown too?...
Are the numbers suggested above a bad thing, because they will lower average domestic airline salary by reducing from QF rates, or
Are the numbers a good thing because it will raise the average domestic airline salary by being above the DJ rates?
I guess it depends on who wins, who hires the most pilots, and how big the delta is either way.
Either way I would love to be faced with this dilemna, but will have to get a job with an airline first...
That is enough brain space occupied for this Friday afternoon.
Regards,
...If one synchronised swimmer drowns, do the rest drown too?...
Well said Cactus,
Go away Cruz. You do not seem to be appreciated here, you pratt.
Go away Cruz. You do not seem to be appreciated here, you pratt.
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vasdeferens, it wouldn't take much to lure a lot of us away from VB. Not a happy place. Sold down the drain by the CP for his own greedy reasons, disorganized etc. The only thing going for it is the hosties who aren't a bad lot, and probly a lot better than the QF ones. Offer a bit more money and this place would implode.
If that happens, tricky dicky will probably find he can oiffer a lot more to keep flying. Bit like the ARL, they paid players sfa until superleague offered close to a million a year to some players, and then the ARL dug deep to pay the top players. What a bunch of cheating pricks.
If that happens, tricky dicky will probably find he can oiffer a lot more to keep flying. Bit like the ARL, they paid players sfa until superleague offered close to a million a year to some players, and then the ARL dug deep to pay the top players. What a bunch of cheating pricks.