QF LCC to recruit externally..
MB,
I hope you're not looking at a QF LCC in search of respect or a respectable employer. Salary isn't the only casualty of the new LCC era. Think hard about the move....would it eventually lead to a mainline position downstream? - I seriously doubt it.
You'd have more chances at QF mainline directly from VB. (Just ask the QF regional drivers... )
I hope you're not looking at a QF LCC in search of respect or a respectable employer. Salary isn't the only casualty of the new LCC era. Think hard about the move....would it eventually lead to a mainline position downstream? - I seriously doubt it.
You'd have more chances at QF mainline directly from VB. (Just ask the QF regional drivers... )
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metro, on the button. Most here jumped at the chance to work for Branson citing his high profile, charisma etc.. But...charisma doesn't pay the bills and when thesde same poiople realised that they're gettinjg screwed, the gloss wears off the shiny new NG pretty fast.
And then When they then realise that theyare getting screwed even harder by one who was at the top of the AFAP back in 89, they really are pi$$ed off. He traded pilot salaries for shares and now is super wealthy by any standards That sort of money didn't come from his reputed $400K+ salary but shares he sold us down the drain to get.
Never be surprised by human nature, specially where money is involved.
And then When they then realise that theyare getting screwed even harder by one who was at the top of the AFAP back in 89, they really are pi$$ed off. He traded pilot salaries for shares and now is super wealthy by any standards That sort of money didn't come from his reputed $400K+ salary but shares he sold us down the drain to get.
Never be surprised by human nature, specially where money is involved.
Who's gunna crew it?
At the risk of getting back to the original topic, salary accountants aside does anyone actually know who's gunna crew this venture?
I guess its as up in the air as the type decision,
Just have to chill I guess
I guess its as up in the air as the type decision,
Just have to chill I guess
This is it
So if mainline pilots are not going to crew the LCC where do they want us to park the current 737's?
We have been very flexable with Link Impulse and JetConnect taking part of our flying but we must be approaching the line in the sand.
It will be an interesting AIPA AGM this comming Monday.
We have been very flexable with Link Impulse and JetConnect taking part of our flying but we must be approaching the line in the sand.
It will be an interesting AIPA AGM this comming Monday.
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I think if the LCC recruits externally, the "line in the sand' will have been crossed given that their projected aircraft fleet in two years will represent close to half the current QF 737 domestic fleet
I think if the LCC recruits externally, the "line in the sand' will have been crossed given that their projected aircraft fleet in two years will represent close to half the current QF 737 domestic fleet
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And I think you'll find that there will be no Tesna pilots available any more. Leftseat One, are you trying to wind people up? Just that you don't seem to have made too many posts.
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Just to add to the wages debate...
Has the QF calculater taken into account that by the 3rd year the VB FO has been a captain for 18 months? That ought to throw a spanner in the works...
I, also, would like to know specifically what the gripes at VB are. It can't be the money. Most of the pilots with commands there were FOs from that 'other' airline or have come from GA. After 8 years at AN I wasn't earning what the VB captains are, let alone after 1-2 years...
The figures (and we all play with them!) quoted for a captain at the QF LCC are laughable. The AO captains are only on $170k and that includes performance bonuses. So a 737 driver will be offered 170-180K??
BTW my money is also on A320/321s...
Has the QF calculater taken into account that by the 3rd year the VB FO has been a captain for 18 months? That ought to throw a spanner in the works...
I, also, would like to know specifically what the gripes at VB are. It can't be the money. Most of the pilots with commands there were FOs from that 'other' airline or have come from GA. After 8 years at AN I wasn't earning what the VB captains are, let alone after 1-2 years...
The figures (and we all play with them!) quoted for a captain at the QF LCC are laughable.
The AO captains are only on $170k and that includes performance bonuses. So a 737 driver will be offered 170-180K?? BTW my money is also on A320/321s...
CallButton
Spanner right back atcha!
How does a VB Capt salary compare to a QF 747 Captain? It doesn't.
So to keep the comparison on level terms, let's compare VB F/O wage to QF 737 F/O wage only. And VB 737 Capt wage to QF 737 Capt.
Making oranges, oranges and apples, apples.
Your one year VB command and aberration as I would suggest loyal VB employees about to be rewarded with the following- Pacific Blue doing a majority of the expansion and any hopes of real International flying dashed by Virgin Atlantic ambitions.
VB gripes can't be the money???? Most Captains from that other airline??? Please elaborate!
Spanner right back atcha!
How does a VB Capt salary compare to a QF 747 Captain? It doesn't.
So to keep the comparison on level terms, let's compare VB F/O wage to QF 737 F/O wage only. And VB 737 Capt wage to QF 737 Capt.
Making oranges, oranges and apples, apples.
Your one year VB command and aberration as I would suggest loyal VB employees about to be rewarded with the following- Pacific Blue doing a majority of the expansion and any hopes of real International flying dashed by Virgin Atlantic ambitions.
VB gripes can't be the money???? Most Captains from that other airline??? Please elaborate!
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Well unfortunately ol'mate, that's what they are going to ask you soon on where you want to park your career. The "line in the sand" was actually drawn in front of you back in 92 during the rape and pillage of the "real" Australian Airlines.
Dont expect anything to come out of any AIPA meeting because they dont give a rats about you or any other domestic driver. Through and through a 400 club. They did not support their brothers during 89, in fact they actually scabbed due to surprisingly increasing the amount of domestic sectors at the beginning and end of international flights and in fact Mud, and no doubt you still remember, they totally disregarded and destroyed the careers of their now domestic drivers during the rape of 92. In the eyes of your beloved "union", all the domestic brothers are nothing but illegitimate children that they were "forced" to adopt way back in 92. So Mud, dont think for a minute that these parasites are going to support you in times of LCC's firing up and helping with maintaining your career prospects particularly a "union" and I use the term extremely loosely. that gets a hand out each year from the company.!!!!! Have you ever Mud, heard of a "union" that normally should have the best interests of their members at heart, takes a ****e load of money from ya (but that's so you can get such cheap Income Protection Insurance) and then also slips some into the ol hip pocket from the management. True Mud, very very true.
One must remember, He who holds the gold makes the rules.
I feel so sorry for you domestic drivers who achieve the highest profits and now are about to be shet on from a great height because of faggot bean counters that have slimed their way into what was once a majestic industry.
Yes, the line truely is drawn in the sand Mud.
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Well unfortunately ol'mate, that's what they are going to ask you soon on where you want to park your career. The "line in the sand" was actually drawn in front of you back in 92 during the rape and pillage of the "real" Australian Airlines.
Dont expect anything to come out of any AIPA meeting because they dont give a rats about you or any other domestic driver. Through and through a 400 club. They did not support their brothers during 89, in fact they actually scabbed due to surprisingly increasing the amount of domestic sectors at the beginning and end of international flights and in fact Mud, and no doubt you still remember, they totally disregarded and destroyed the careers of their now domestic drivers during the rape of 92. In the eyes of your beloved "union", all the domestic brothers are nothing but illegitimate children that they were "forced" to adopt way back in 92. So Mud, dont think for a minute that these parasites are going to support you in times of LCC's firing up and helping with maintaining your career prospects particularly a "union" and I use the term extremely loosely. that gets a hand out each year from the company.!!!!! Have you ever Mud, heard of a "union" that normally should have the best interests of their members at heart, takes a ****e load of money from ya (but that's so you can get such cheap Income Protection Insurance) and then also slips some into the ol hip pocket from the management. True Mud, very very true.
One must remember, He who holds the gold makes the rules.
I feel so sorry for you domestic drivers who achieve the highest profits and now are about to be shet on from a great height because of faggot bean counters that have slimed their way into what was once a majestic industry.
Yes, the line truely is drawn in the sand Mud.
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From what I am told both AIPA and the Impulse group have put "submissions" to Alan Joyce and the Qantas suits as to why they should be the chosen ones to operate it.
Apart from that if anyone tells you they have "inside " information take it with a grain of salt.
Apart from that if anyone tells you they have "inside " information take it with a grain of salt.