Air NZ to Cut 15% Staff (Breaking News)
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sirjfp, I've spent nearly 40 years in new Zealand, both in cities & rural areas. Now, maybe I have led a sheltered life but I have never actually seen anyone shag a sheep. In the interests of enhancing trans-Tasman relations could you please explain why some Australians have this fanatical fetish about sheep-shagging? I am sure any Kiwis who peruse this site would just love to hear a dinkum Ocker such as yourself explain this curious national trait.
All the best and please pass on my regards to that fine looking animal Skippy. Now there is a bush kangaroo with a hot bod.
Meanwhile, back on the actual topic.........
All the best and please pass on my regards to that fine looking animal Skippy. Now there is a bush kangaroo with a hot bod.
Meanwhile, back on the actual topic.........
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I don't know AUSTIN I still have my velcro gloves for the sheep @ home.
I would be very keen to hear of some figures from anybody about actual staff atrition rates and from which sectors they come.
I can't imagine how any company can just make 1500 jobs become unavalible, like I said earlier maybe it's just a stunt for the commerce commission.
I would be very keen to hear of some figures from anybody about actual staff atrition rates and from which sectors they come.
I can't imagine how any company can just make 1500 jobs become unavalible, like I said earlier maybe it's just a stunt for the commerce commission.
Only 85% to go.
sirjfp, Australia2 - you are the embodiment of satirical martyrdom.
The comments that you and yours continue to make with reference to the part played by AirNZ in the demise of Ansett have no relevance anymore.
My feelings of sorrow for those individuals affected, and of anger towards those responsible have slowly been eroded by the continual bland, obtuse and snide remarks made in what I believe are the wrong discussion topics to express such views.
Please feel free to open another Ansett thread and dribble on to your hearts content. Alternatively, push off. I for one have had more than my fill of worthless jibes.
The comments that you and yours continue to make with reference to the part played by AirNZ in the demise of Ansett have no relevance anymore.
My feelings of sorrow for those individuals affected, and of anger towards those responsible have slowly been eroded by the continual bland, obtuse and snide remarks made in what I believe are the wrong discussion topics to express such views.
Please feel free to open another Ansett thread and dribble on to your hearts content. Alternatively, push off. I for one have had more than my fill of worthless jibes.
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People may not shag sheep, but a while ago some people were arrested in Nelson for having their way with a goat, as well as a woman on the West Coast shagging an Alsatian.
So I think people are naive to suggest there are no sheep shaggers lurking around NZ.
So I think people are naive to suggest there are no sheep shaggers lurking around NZ.
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I think perhaps some of the Air NZ guys need to show a little sympathy and 'turn the other cheek'.
Comments to the tune of 'get over it' simply incite more loathe and despising.
I do not beleive any former Ansett employee would genuinely wish Air NZ employees to meet a similar fate, however at the same time please appreciate that the very fact that Air NZ continues to exist and perhaps even thrive does stick in some of our sides like a painful thorn.
I would like to think that most ex AN people conduct themselves better than some ex 89'ers when the subject of their tumultuos past is raised, however it is not 14 years since Air NZ unceremoniously dumped us onto the scrapheap.
Whilst I can appreciate that it is natural to defend attacks against your livelihood, as I have said before many times, I am stunned by the calous level of disregard held by many at Air NZ to the plight of their former 'brothers'.
How many former Ansett employees do Air NZ employ? I wager it would be less than a quarter of that picked up by Virgin Blue or Qantas.
What kind of assistance did the Air NZ staff offer their former brothers?
What did the NZ CTU do to assist the AN workers?
These answers to these questions perhaps illucidate why so many ex Ansett people are still pissed.
My advice, grin and bear it, ignore the comments and eventually 'we' WILL get over it. If you bite (by presenting yourself as a target) expect more vitriole.
Comments to the tune of 'get over it' simply incite more loathe and despising.
I do not beleive any former Ansett employee would genuinely wish Air NZ employees to meet a similar fate, however at the same time please appreciate that the very fact that Air NZ continues to exist and perhaps even thrive does stick in some of our sides like a painful thorn.
I would like to think that most ex AN people conduct themselves better than some ex 89'ers when the subject of their tumultuos past is raised, however it is not 14 years since Air NZ unceremoniously dumped us onto the scrapheap.
Whilst I can appreciate that it is natural to defend attacks against your livelihood, as I have said before many times, I am stunned by the calous level of disregard held by many at Air NZ to the plight of their former 'brothers'.
How many former Ansett employees do Air NZ employ? I wager it would be less than a quarter of that picked up by Virgin Blue or Qantas.
What kind of assistance did the Air NZ staff offer their former brothers?
What did the NZ CTU do to assist the AN workers?
These answers to these questions perhaps illucidate why so many ex Ansett people are still pissed.
My advice, grin and bear it, ignore the comments and eventually 'we' WILL get over it. If you bite (by presenting yourself as a target) expect more vitriole.
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A good post longjohn, it is reasoned unemotional comment such as this that helps both sides of the fence come to a better understanding.
I was an Air NZ employee at the time that Ansett ceased operations and I and many others were shocked by this terrible and for us lowly workers, unexpected event. Naturally we all thought of what this would be like if we were in the same situation (and we very nearly were). Then the anti-Kiwi, anti-Air NZ backlash started. We copped it from AN staff, the illustrious Aussie media and also your inspiring politicians. Some incidents that I was personally aware of were crews verbally abused and spat at in SYD and crew catering in MEL was soiled with rubbish. Petty acts by a minority I am sure, but these sort of things race around the network faster than the speed of light and sympathy evaporated at the same pace.
I am not justifying the lack of support, just trying to explain it. For a long time on this forum, the slightest mention of Air NZ would bring down a rain of abuse and multiple tirades against us all. This further enhanced our lack of empathy. I am not saying that things would be any different if the situation was reversed, but it was certainly hard to have charitable thoughts amidst all the ranting & raving.
I could go on for pages, writing about AN's previous owners, it's own Aussie managers, Air NZ's inept managers, the list is never ending. The blame is spread far & wide, you can even drag in Osama bin Laden as a conspirator but at the end of the day, it has happened, the past can not be changed. If it is any consolation I wince when I read "get over it" too. It's not what I want to say and I certainly understand that it is not what you want to hear.
On a lighter note, Major Minor, she ran away alright, but I am not sure if she was laughing or not, she definitely had tears coming out of her eyes. Whether it was due to pain or amusement, only she knows.
I was an Air NZ employee at the time that Ansett ceased operations and I and many others were shocked by this terrible and for us lowly workers, unexpected event. Naturally we all thought of what this would be like if we were in the same situation (and we very nearly were). Then the anti-Kiwi, anti-Air NZ backlash started. We copped it from AN staff, the illustrious Aussie media and also your inspiring politicians. Some incidents that I was personally aware of were crews verbally abused and spat at in SYD and crew catering in MEL was soiled with rubbish. Petty acts by a minority I am sure, but these sort of things race around the network faster than the speed of light and sympathy evaporated at the same pace.
I am not justifying the lack of support, just trying to explain it. For a long time on this forum, the slightest mention of Air NZ would bring down a rain of abuse and multiple tirades against us all. This further enhanced our lack of empathy. I am not saying that things would be any different if the situation was reversed, but it was certainly hard to have charitable thoughts amidst all the ranting & raving.
I could go on for pages, writing about AN's previous owners, it's own Aussie managers, Air NZ's inept managers, the list is never ending. The blame is spread far & wide, you can even drag in Osama bin Laden as a conspirator but at the end of the day, it has happened, the past can not be changed. If it is any consolation I wince when I read "get over it" too. It's not what I want to say and I certainly understand that it is not what you want to hear.
On a lighter note, Major Minor, she ran away alright, but I am not sure if she was laughing or not, she definitely had tears coming out of her eyes. Whether it was due to pain or amusement, only she knows.
Longjohn and Austin,
Two great posts, maybe the Anzac spirit is nor dead after-all.
Two great posts, maybe the Anzac spirit is nor dead after-all.
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Nicely said longjohn and Austin Holed. I for one appreciate your well thought out, rational and civilised comments.
There will always be anger and bitterness (on both sides), however it is time to move forward, and not continue to dwell on mistakes made past.
SG
There will always be anger and bitterness (on both sides), however it is time to move forward, and not continue to dwell on mistakes made past.
SG
Comments to the tune of 'get over it' simply incite more loathe and despising.
Only 85% to go.
Only one place Air Sheep Shagger deserves to go and that is down the toilet. The sooner the better .
I think perhaps some of the Air NZ guys need to show a little sympathy and 'turn the other cheek'.
My advice, grin and bear it, ignore the comments and eventually 'we' WILL get over it. If you bite (by presenting yourself as a target) expect more vitriole.
Some sound advise. So unbiased and clear.
however it is time to move forward, and not continue to dwell on mistakes made past.
Two great posts, maybe the Anzac spirit is nor dead after-all.
Only 85% to go.
I am dissappointed in your desire, your need to see more people with disrupted lives. People who have done little more than to try a make a living.
SHAME on you.
Yes I am upset. But why shouldn't I be? I am sick of one-sided abusive remarks where NZer's are bullied into refraining from defending themselves.
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Nike,
It was nice to read the post of Austin Holed with the first compassionate comment I have ever been aware of from the eastern tasman. Hence a little faith in the trans-tasman relations. Longjohns great post will hopefully shed further light on the "other perspective to yours"
I personally had only 2 encounter's with ANZ crew at the time, but perceived on both encounters a complete disregard for the welfare of the AN staff who, in our eyes were left out to dry by ANZ managment.
Many, many factors led to our demise, although I think it is accepted by all ANZ were a significant component. Being the straw that r**ted the camel in the end, I guess they were always going to be prominent when the blame police started their search.
If my original post offended you, as ANZ staff it was un-intended; having been through the entire nightmare I would never, ever wish similar difficulties on other hard-working staff. I would however not shed a tear if 100% of the board/management responsible were to find themselves looking for new employment. Their arrogance at the time was incredible, with an almost inability to acknowledge any part in the events.
Life must, and is going on, I won't dwell on this forever. In time memories will fade although maybe the feelings involved can only be understood by those who have experienced similar. I dont think the blood letting in pacific aviation is over by a longshot, but restate I would never wish the frustration and (if temporary) despair on another professional colleague.
It was nice to read the post of Austin Holed with the first compassionate comment I have ever been aware of from the eastern tasman. Hence a little faith in the trans-tasman relations. Longjohns great post will hopefully shed further light on the "other perspective to yours"
I personally had only 2 encounter's with ANZ crew at the time, but perceived on both encounters a complete disregard for the welfare of the AN staff who, in our eyes were left out to dry by ANZ managment.
Many, many factors led to our demise, although I think it is accepted by all ANZ were a significant component. Being the straw that r**ted the camel in the end, I guess they were always going to be prominent when the blame police started their search.
If my original post offended you, as ANZ staff it was un-intended; having been through the entire nightmare I would never, ever wish similar difficulties on other hard-working staff. I would however not shed a tear if 100% of the board/management responsible were to find themselves looking for new employment. Their arrogance at the time was incredible, with an almost inability to acknowledge any part in the events.
Life must, and is going on, I won't dwell on this forever. In time memories will fade although maybe the feelings involved can only be understood by those who have experienced similar. I dont think the blood letting in pacific aviation is over by a longshot, but restate I would never wish the frustration and (if temporary) despair on another professional colleague.
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"I would however not shed a tear if 100% of the board/management responsible were to find themselves looking for new employment"
Well if there's only one thing both sides of the Tasman ever agree on, the above quote would have to be it.
Well if there's only one thing both sides of the Tasman ever agree on, the above quote would have to be it.
Australia2,
I thank you for your reply. I appreciate that you now see that your first post was upsetting to me.
I wish to say that I did not intend to portray the "get over it" attitude in any of my posts. In re-reading it I can see how said distinction can be interpreted and therefore do apologise for not ensuring that such sentiment was absent.
My reaction was purely to what I see as poorly directed frustration, which in this case I totally understand but often condemn because such comments are often either hastily constructed and therefore easily misinterpreted or simply wide of the mark.
Please do not read 'the PC police" into that last statement, more over simply remember one only has the words on a screen with which to converse and therefore some thought needs to be put into each post.
As for an apparent lack of compassion from this side of the ditch, I for one was deeply saddened by the closure of Ansett, but you are right in as such as I have never portrayed this openly. As to why I am not sure, maybe there was a feeling of guilty by association and that any attempt at humility would be ill-received? Maybe a lesson in human relations is overdue? Either way poor form on my part.
I can only suggest to not interpret the lack of any SIGN of compassion for a lack of compassion.
I thank you for your reply. I appreciate that you now see that your first post was upsetting to me.
I wish to say that I did not intend to portray the "get over it" attitude in any of my posts. In re-reading it I can see how said distinction can be interpreted and therefore do apologise for not ensuring that such sentiment was absent.
My reaction was purely to what I see as poorly directed frustration, which in this case I totally understand but often condemn because such comments are often either hastily constructed and therefore easily misinterpreted or simply wide of the mark.
Please do not read 'the PC police" into that last statement, more over simply remember one only has the words on a screen with which to converse and therefore some thought needs to be put into each post.
As for an apparent lack of compassion from this side of the ditch, I for one was deeply saddened by the closure of Ansett, but you are right in as such as I have never portrayed this openly. As to why I am not sure, maybe there was a feeling of guilty by association and that any attempt at humility would be ill-received? Maybe a lesson in human relations is overdue? Either way poor form on my part.
I can only suggest to not interpret the lack of any SIGN of compassion for a lack of compassion.
