QF B744s VH-OEC, VH-OED Grounded
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BIK,
Typical, if you have no valid argument, go the old "oh god he must be xenophobic".
Your reply is showing that you are a complete tool, because you have resorted to insulting and making aspersions about posters. That's just immature.
I am concerned about a safety issue, as has been the media regarding this incident. I and the vast majority of engineers who I know feel the same way.
BIK, have you ever worked overseas, and if so how many workshops have you supervised? You sound like the voice of inexperience, had you worked overseas, you would be well aware that maintenance standards in other countries vary to ours for a number of reasons, which range from culture to education.
Your pathalogical hatred of engineers is duly noted, and I am pleased to say that I do not share the same feelings toward pilots, in fact I share a great deal of respect for some of the professionals who I work with, and I am also proud to say that I would prefer to have an Australian pilot up front over many others, for exactly the same reason that I would prefer to have an Australian engineer doing the maintenance.
Your lack of professional courtasy toward those whom you trust with your life every time you fly is nothing short of astounding to me.
Your suggestion of impropriety on the part of the engineering unions is completely rediculous, and an insult to the entire engineering community, but that is what you wanted to do isn't it?
Typical, if you have no valid argument, go the old "oh god he must be xenophobic".
Your reply is showing that you are a complete tool, because you have resorted to insulting and making aspersions about posters. That's just immature.
I am concerned about a safety issue, as has been the media regarding this incident. I and the vast majority of engineers who I know feel the same way.
BIK, have you ever worked overseas, and if so how many workshops have you supervised? You sound like the voice of inexperience, had you worked overseas, you would be well aware that maintenance standards in other countries vary to ours for a number of reasons, which range from culture to education.
Your pathalogical hatred of engineers is duly noted, and I am pleased to say that I do not share the same feelings toward pilots, in fact I share a great deal of respect for some of the professionals who I work with, and I am also proud to say that I would prefer to have an Australian pilot up front over many others, for exactly the same reason that I would prefer to have an Australian engineer doing the maintenance.
Your lack of professional courtasy toward those whom you trust with your life every time you fly is nothing short of astounding to me.
Your suggestion of impropriety on the part of the engineering unions is completely rediculous, and an insult to the entire engineering community, but that is what you wanted to do isn't it?
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BIK,
Two points;
1.If an overseas maintenance organisation is approved by their local authority FAA, UK CAA or whatever CASA has no say in how they conduct their work, years ago CASA had to approve these organisations not any more.The operater may choose to send a representative to conduct QA.
2. If an aircraft overnights at a port it may require a LAME to release it for the first flight of the day, hence LAMEs at some ports and not others, however it depends on the operater and how the maintenance manuals are written.
VTM
Two points;
1.If an overseas maintenance organisation is approved by their local authority FAA, UK CAA or whatever CASA has no say in how they conduct their work, years ago CASA had to approve these organisations not any more.The operater may choose to send a representative to conduct QA.
2. If an aircraft overnights at a port it may require a LAME to release it for the first flight of the day, hence LAMEs at some ports and not others, however it depends on the operater and how the maintenance manuals are written.
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Sorry to interrupt but whats happening about the two 400's? Has anyone heard anything regarding how long they will be out of action since the originally quoted 3 months in the news articles? Will the loss of two aircraft cause problems with schedules or capacity do you think?
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The time interval between "D" checks was increased by Boeing from 5 years to 6 years. As the aircraft was purchased from Malaysian Airlines in 1998, this would indicate that the last "D" check was performed by Malaysian Airlines (probably about the same time that it was repainted). This appears to be the first time that QF engineers have pulled it apart sufficiently to inspect the area where the crack was found. GB
The time interval between "D" checks was increased by Boeing from 5 years to 6 years. As the aircraft was purchased from Malaysian Airlines in 1998, this would indicate that the last "D" check was performed by Malaysian Airlines (probably about the same time that it was repainted). This appears to be the first time that QF engineers have pulled it apart sufficiently to inspect the area where the crack was found. GB
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"QF B744s VH-OEC, VH-OED Grounded
Two Qantas B747-400s VH-OEC and VH-OED the ex Malaysian
aircraft have been grounded due to major cracks in the fuselage.
It was believed they were found in the last 24 hours."
CASA - here is a good idea - lets wait until x-mas this year or easter next year and ground the whole fleet because a crack has shown up in 2 AC in the QF fleet!!!
As a precaution, even if they are a completely different model, best we ground the Classics as well!!
Qantas Finds Crack in Boeing Fuselage
Sat September 27, 2003 03:18 AM ET
MELBOURNE (Reuters) - Qantas Airlines Ltd QAN.AX said on Saturday it found a crack in the fuselage of one of its Boeing 747-400s BA.N during a major maintenance check and was working with the manufacturer to investigate it.
As a precaution Qantas grounded a second 747-400 that had been bought around the same time as the damaged plane, but it found no evidence of cracking, a Qantas spokeswoman said, confirming a report in The Australian newspaper.
"We've notified Boeing and are working very closely with them," the spokeswoman said, adding that the airline had also notified Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
She said the cause of the crack inside the fuselage near the vertical fin at the tail end of the damaged plane was still being investigated.
The aircraft is due to be repaired and back in the air within about four weeks. The second plane is expected to be back in the air within the next week. Both planes are about 10 years old.
"They're designed so they can withstand this kind of damage in between major maintenance checks," the spokeswoman said, adding that heavy maintenance was done about once in five years.
Two Qantas B747-400s VH-OEC and VH-OED the ex Malaysian
aircraft have been grounded due to major cracks in the fuselage.
It was believed they were found in the last 24 hours."
CASA - here is a good idea - lets wait until x-mas this year or easter next year and ground the whole fleet because a crack has shown up in 2 AC in the QF fleet!!!
As a precaution, even if they are a completely different model, best we ground the Classics as well!!
Qantas Finds Crack in Boeing Fuselage
Sat September 27, 2003 03:18 AM ET
MELBOURNE (Reuters) - Qantas Airlines Ltd QAN.AX said on Saturday it found a crack in the fuselage of one of its Boeing 747-400s BA.N during a major maintenance check and was working with the manufacturer to investigate it.
As a precaution Qantas grounded a second 747-400 that had been bought around the same time as the damaged plane, but it found no evidence of cracking, a Qantas spokeswoman said, confirming a report in The Australian newspaper.
"We've notified Boeing and are working very closely with them," the spokeswoman said, adding that the airline had also notified Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
She said the cause of the crack inside the fuselage near the vertical fin at the tail end of the damaged plane was still being investigated.
The aircraft is due to be repaired and back in the air within about four weeks. The second plane is expected to be back in the air within the next week. Both planes are about 10 years old.
"They're designed so they can withstand this kind of damage in between major maintenance checks," the spokeswoman said, adding that heavy maintenance was done about once in five years.
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I presume all new Malaysian Airlines machines are painted by Boeing before delivery. As far as I can see, does this mean that all machines that have been repainted by whoever Malaysian Airlines gets to paint there planes are subject to possible serious saftey concerns like that on the QF machines? Also, do many airlines get their planes painted there, as I presume it would be cheaper with low wages? Should all aircraft that have been painted at that place be inspected at what ever cost ?
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Those are not the ones parked at Avalon.They are just there for temporary storage.
Both are in Sydney .
OEC is currently sitting in H271 doing very little. I think they are waiting on an official word from boeing on how detailed an inspection is required. No cracks have been found in the same place OED had it's crack.
OED is in H245 having it's D Check finished and being repaired.
The D Check is due to finish at the end of October but the repairs are expected to take about 3 months.
Those are not the ones parked at Avalon.They are just there for temporary storage.
Both are in Sydney .
OEC is currently sitting in H271 doing very little. I think they are waiting on an official word from boeing on how detailed an inspection is required. No cracks have been found in the same place OED had it's crack.
OED is in H245 having it's D Check finished and being repaired.
The D Check is due to finish at the end of October but the repairs are expected to take about 3 months.
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malaysian rework
ROAD ATLAS the outfit involved has done many a/c for many airlines,there last stuff up (carried out the same method of sealent removal) was 3 x 777's for an American carrier.which have been subsequently written off.The outfit question is no longer around.
