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By virtue of your first comment my 737 ground instructor didnt give me value for my money because according to you, his 22 years of instruction on type doesnt compare to the instructor I could have had in Oz. My sim instructor only had 10k hours on type so I guess I really missed out there too.
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My, you really are an angry little vegemite, aren't you?
I did not and do not intend to become embroiled in any inane arguments here. My post, based on personal observations over recent times, was merely intended to assist those pilots having to pay for their own jet endorsements in deciding where they might obtain the best value for their hard-earned dollars - nothing more! There will be exceptions, of course, as any rational person should realise.
As I suggested previously, why don't you ask VB for their opinion as to an endorsement from the USA Vs the ETA product? They have had ample opportunities to compare them.
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By virtue of your first comment my 737 ground instructor didnt give me value for my money because according to you, his 22 years of instruction on type doesnt compare to the instructor I could have had in Oz. My sim instructor only had 10k hours on type so I guess I really missed out there too.
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My, you really are an angry little vegemite, aren't you?
I did not and do not intend to become embroiled in any inane arguments here. My post, based on personal observations over recent times, was merely intended to assist those pilots having to pay for their own jet endorsements in deciding where they might obtain the best value for their hard-earned dollars - nothing more! There will be exceptions, of course, as any rational person should realise.
As I suggested previously, why don't you ask VB for their opinion as to an endorsement from the USA Vs the ETA product? They have had ample opportunities to compare them.
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Dear Gravox,
Just another option for you. Have you contacted the Ansett Flight Simulation Centre in Melbourne.
I made an enquiry a while back and just for the record will be taking up the offer with them as I believe they provide the best value for money.
ETA sound good, but in comparsion the Ansett Flight Simulation Centre offer alot more for your money.
Reading from my recent quote.
AUST/NZCAA approved command B737-300 Type-rating, this is what they offer:
17 Grd School totally supervised (no pre study required).
20 hours Fixed base simulator (12 hours during Grd Schl)
36 Full flight simulator (includes final check)
They also use ex-ansett instructors combined with contract instructor with a wealth of avaiation experience and knowlegde.
Set of Boeing manuals per person are also included in the course.
Cost AUD $22,00.00 Good Value for my mind......
Hope you find this of some use.
Levi.
Just another option for you. Have you contacted the Ansett Flight Simulation Centre in Melbourne.
I made an enquiry a while back and just for the record will be taking up the offer with them as I believe they provide the best value for money.
ETA sound good, but in comparsion the Ansett Flight Simulation Centre offer alot more for your money.
Reading from my recent quote.
AUST/NZCAA approved command B737-300 Type-rating, this is what they offer:
17 Grd School totally supervised (no pre study required).
20 hours Fixed base simulator (12 hours during Grd Schl)
36 Full flight simulator (includes final check)
They also use ex-ansett instructors combined with contract instructor with a wealth of avaiation experience and knowlegde.
Set of Boeing manuals per person are also included in the course.
Cost AUD $22,00.00 Good Value for my mind......
Hope you find this of some use.
Levi.
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Hi guys and girls.
I have personal experiance as well as mates who have done both endorsements (ETA and US)
From all the info I have gathered my humble opionion would be dependant on experiance. If you have prior jet experiance you really cant go past any of the US or Europe programs. You wont be held by the hand as much but you will get the endorsement cheaper and with less fuss. Should you be from Oz and havent flown jets then ETA is a good choice. Andy runs a good ship, there is heaps of support and your sim buddies will also be in the same boat. Melb is more expensive if you dont live there however there are notices up in the VB crew rooms at the moment offering cheap accom.
Be careful of some things re ETA, VB wont allow their instructors to jump ride so the ETA SOP's are a little different from VB's. (yes from experiance). You also have to be mindfull of the Ex-Ansett attitude. Yes Ansett fles the 73 one way however VB fly it very differently. Also dont forget that at least 30 of the VB capatins are Premair trained and they have all got along fine. Even current Training Captains Ex Ansett will admit that there is more than one way to f_ck the cat now.
Hope this helps. I dont know much about the Ansett program but I do know how alot of VB would feel about people being trained by the Ansett Admin people.
regards
Tight
I have personal experiance as well as mates who have done both endorsements (ETA and US)
From all the info I have gathered my humble opionion would be dependant on experiance. If you have prior jet experiance you really cant go past any of the US or Europe programs. You wont be held by the hand as much but you will get the endorsement cheaper and with less fuss. Should you be from Oz and havent flown jets then ETA is a good choice. Andy runs a good ship, there is heaps of support and your sim buddies will also be in the same boat. Melb is more expensive if you dont live there however there are notices up in the VB crew rooms at the moment offering cheap accom.
Be careful of some things re ETA, VB wont allow their instructors to jump ride so the ETA SOP's are a little different from VB's. (yes from experiance). You also have to be mindfull of the Ex-Ansett attitude. Yes Ansett fles the 73 one way however VB fly it very differently. Also dont forget that at least 30 of the VB capatins are Premair trained and they have all got along fine. Even current Training Captains Ex Ansett will admit that there is more than one way to f_ck the cat now.
Hope this helps. I dont know much about the Ansett program but I do know how alot of VB would feel about people being trained by the Ansett Admin people.
regards
Tight
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As a part time academic it is my humble opinion that what you get out of a course is consistent with what you put in. I did my conversion with Premair and found the course excellent, value for money, and the instructor very capable. I would highly recommend this mob. But remember you wont have your hand held and led from start to finish by your airline training department..... the hard work is up to you.
I just found some details on their most recent prices (posted below). And no ..... I do not receive a commission.
Good luck.
PremAir Flight Training Schools, with flight training centers in Seattle, Orlando, and Phoenix toll free (877) 377-9222, (206) 878-7271, e-mail: [email protected], has just advised us that, due to the demand, they have "extended" their 737 training course "specials" into Fall. 737 (300/400/500) EFIS Initial Type Rating is now US $7,995, the recurrent is US $2,600. They have the 737-200 Initial Type Rating for US $6,650. They are also offering the 737-NG (New Generation) Initial Type Rating course for US $10,995. the NG recurrent is US $3,499.
Sign up now and bring a friend. Please see their Website: www.premair.com
I just found some details on their most recent prices (posted below). And no ..... I do not receive a commission.
Good luck.
PremAir Flight Training Schools, with flight training centers in Seattle, Orlando, and Phoenix toll free (877) 377-9222, (206) 878-7271, e-mail: [email protected], has just advised us that, due to the demand, they have "extended" their 737 training course "specials" into Fall. 737 (300/400/500) EFIS Initial Type Rating is now US $7,995, the recurrent is US $2,600. They have the 737-200 Initial Type Rating for US $6,650. They are also offering the 737-NG (New Generation) Initial Type Rating course for US $10,995. the NG recurrent is US $3,499.
Sign up now and bring a friend. Please see their Website: www.premair.com
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Could somebody help me out with the quality of the simulators at ETA or Ansett Flight Simulation Centre?
Are they decent simulators or old equipment etc.?
thanks
Kanger
Are they decent simulators or old equipment etc.?
thanks
Kanger
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Hi All
The ETA simulators in Mebourne offer a type rating on the 300-400 series currently for VB pilots. This is set to chance as an NG simulator has been bought and resides in Bris Vegas. VB are going to start doing there own endorsements directly on the NG.... All rumour at this stage but from a credible source. Can anyone confirm
Ang
The ETA simulators in Mebourne offer a type rating on the 300-400 series currently for VB pilots. This is set to chance as an NG simulator has been bought and resides in Bris Vegas. VB are going to start doing there own endorsements directly on the NG.... All rumour at this stage but from a credible source. Can anyone confirm
Ang
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Kanger,
The sim at Ansett VH-CZA is very old and out of date with the new sim technology, ie hard to do circling approaches ( limited wrap around visual the box needs a good upgrade) nigh visuals only! IMHO it really isn't up to CASA level 5 standard. The sim at QF VH-TJ? is much better and newer, day visuals, better field of view, if you could try and do the rating there, but I don't think ETA (andy and brett) have been able to utilise the sim, mind you the great instruction on the old AN sim makes up for the not so great box!!
The sim at Ansett VH-CZA is very old and out of date with the new sim technology, ie hard to do circling approaches ( limited wrap around visual the box needs a good upgrade) nigh visuals only! IMHO it really isn't up to CASA level 5 standard. The sim at QF VH-TJ? is much better and newer, day visuals, better field of view, if you could try and do the rating there, but I don't think ETA (andy and brett) have been able to utilise the sim, mind you the great instruction on the old AN sim makes up for the not so great box!!
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Kanger the Ansett 737 sim specs;
Built by Redifussion Simulation Ltd in 1987. In February 1988 it was Accredited to Level 5 Standard by the then Australian Civil Aviation Authority.
Simulates a B737-377-EFIS, with a Sperry SP300 Digital Autopilot.
Selectable options for EADI, EHSI and FMCS to suit your configuration.
Configured with CFM56-3 engines.
Gould Sci-clone 32/s27-32 bit Multiprocessor computer system, Digital Control Loading and a Six Degree of Freedom motion system.
Fitted with a Redifussion Novoview SP1-t, Dusk/Night, six window, four channel monitor, CGI visual system.
Complete with Redifussion Dual T.A.S.C Instructor Station, weather radar simulation, and a hinged P-6 panel to allow cockpit access for instructional purposes.
TCAS II capability.
CRM video recording and playback facility.
Built by Redifussion Simulation Ltd in 1987. In February 1988 it was Accredited to Level 5 Standard by the then Australian Civil Aviation Authority.
Simulates a B737-377-EFIS, with a Sperry SP300 Digital Autopilot.
Selectable options for EADI, EHSI and FMCS to suit your configuration.
Configured with CFM56-3 engines.
Gould Sci-clone 32/s27-32 bit Multiprocessor computer system, Digital Control Loading and a Six Degree of Freedom motion system.
Fitted with a Redifussion Novoview SP1-t, Dusk/Night, six window, four channel monitor, CGI visual system.
Complete with Redifussion Dual T.A.S.C Instructor Station, weather radar simulation, and a hinged P-6 panel to allow cockpit access for instructional purposes.
TCAS II capability.
CRM video recording and playback facility.
