737-700 for Rotorua??? Could it be DJ?
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737-700 for Rotorua??? Could it be DJ?
Just received the local council propoganda in the mailbox. For those outside the Bay of Plenty, there has been a bit of a war of words between NZRO (owners Rotorua City Council) and NZTG (ownerx - I believe - Western BOP council). Tauranga Airport is bigger, has more activity and is situated on prime development land. Rotorua by contrast is smaller, less active and for jets has a short pavement and awkward approach (lots of hills varying between 2000 and 3000, with the airport at nearly 1000). Environment BOP (the agency who look after the environment 
) Have conducted a feasibility study into siting a new airport between both centres and calling it the BOP international airport - no problems with the short runway, frees up valuable land, etc.
Imagine my surprise today to read that the Rotorua council are claiming that an operator is going to be flying ROT - CHC and ROT - ZQN using a 737-700 and that there are in negotiations for a provider who will manage border control for Trans Tasman routes in the future. This got me thinking
a) Who operates 700's (I can only think of Virgin)
b) Who the hell will fly these routes (mainly tourists?)
c) Who would want to be a passenger on a 737-700 Trans-Tasman off a 1200m field (is this possible with a substantial passenger load - I think not)
Anyone heard anything, or is the council just trying to justify rates rises?
) Have conducted a feasibility study into siting a new airport between both centres and calling it the BOP international airport - no problems with the short runway, frees up valuable land, etc.Imagine my surprise today to read that the Rotorua council are claiming that an operator is going to be flying ROT - CHC and ROT - ZQN using a 737-700 and that there are in negotiations for a provider who will manage border control for Trans Tasman routes in the future. This got me thinking
a) Who operates 700's (I can only think of Virgin)
b) Who the hell will fly these routes (mainly tourists?)
c) Who would want to be a passenger on a 737-700 Trans-Tasman off a 1200m field (is this possible with a substantial passenger load - I think not)
Anyone heard anything, or is the council just trying to justify rates rises?
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Rotorua's runway has already suffered from numerous landings from Bae 146s and Boeing 737-200s. I can just imagine what it will be like after another heavier jet impacts with the marshy runway which was designed for F27s.
Lengthening the runway isn't going to solve the major problem at Rotorua, that is the low cloudbase, which occurs with the Northerly, so I guess Tauranga will get its fair share of Boeing arrivals and whoever is operating the aircraft will wonder why they didn't use Tauranga in the first place.
Also the prevailing crosswind could make for some interesting arrivals.
It seems that airlines will never learn. We keep reinventing the wheel and refusing to listen to historical advice. Say lar vee.
Lengthening the runway isn't going to solve the major problem at Rotorua, that is the low cloudbase, which occurs with the Northerly, so I guess Tauranga will get its fair share of Boeing arrivals and whoever is operating the aircraft will wonder why they didn't use Tauranga in the first place.
Also the prevailing crosswind could make for some interesting arrivals.
It seems that airlines will never learn. We keep reinventing the wheel and refusing to listen to historical advice. Say lar vee.
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Word is Qantas is definatly looking at 700's to replace the 300's.
You would probably expect Jet Connect to get them if they do come as their old clunkers should be retired sooner than later.
You would probably expect Jet Connect to get them if they do come as their old clunkers should be retired sooner than later.
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The option of an airport serving the 3 BOP areas (TG, RO & WK) is certainly not new. The two main centres have been tossing this one about since TG added to its runway and RO added to theirs.
The possibility of a 700 using them, who knows. There was talk of Qantas going into RO in Oct this year sometime.
TG has the runway (45m wide & NDB/DME) but possibly not the best terminal and the local port want the land for themselves, hence the idea of moving the airport...... whilst RO has the facilities and tourism but not the best runway (30m wide & VOR/DME).
What A/C type, remember you're dealing with non aviation folk and an 737 to them is the same as an Airbus!!!!!!
The opition of a regional airport at Paengaroa (?sp) could be a win/win. If there is such a thing???
Both cities are too small to throw massive amounts of $$$ each into a newer facility.
So if there was a new airport to be built, then expect to wait about a decade while the PC fraternity get things sorted!!
The possibility of a 700 using them, who knows. There was talk of Qantas going into RO in Oct this year sometime.
TG has the runway (45m wide & NDB/DME) but possibly not the best terminal and the local port want the land for themselves, hence the idea of moving the airport...... whilst RO has the facilities and tourism but not the best runway (30m wide & VOR/DME).
What A/C type, remember you're dealing with non aviation folk and an 737 to them is the same as an Airbus!!!!!!
The opition of a regional airport at Paengaroa (?sp) could be a win/win. If there is such a thing???
Both cities are too small to throw massive amounts of $$$ each into a newer facility.
So if there was a new airport to be built, then expect to wait about a decade while the PC fraternity get things sorted!!
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"c) Who would want to be a passenger on a 737-700 Trans-Tasman off a 1200m field (is this possible with a substantial passenger load - I think not)"
I suggest you do a bit more study on that one!!!!! Sounds like a typical bugsmnasher pilot talking, with no knowledge of performance in general or the -700 in particular.
"c) Who would want to be a passenger on a 737-700 Trans-Tasman off a 1200m field (is this possible with a substantial passenger load - I think not)"
I suggest you do a bit more study on that one!!!!! Sounds like a typical bugsmnasher pilot talking, with no knowledge of performance in general or the -700 in particular.
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Would be interested in hearing of those performance numbers nzer,-200s were tight &-300s didn't bother coming,I presume due to performance?RTOW?economics?
Rotovegas is out over 1500m these days isn't it?
Whilst paengaroa might be a great option for affected outside parties, the fact is each centre losing it's own airport would have significant economic effects on each region. TG Port authority would be a big winner,don't know that the other regions stand to gain too much?
WK-Paengaroa 40mins,RO 30mins,TG-25mins + job losses+vegas loses that direct link between tourist centres- ie Queenstown.
Anyway,it'll never happen 'cause as you say CT7 they'll have to get past the PC brigade first!
But,hey what would I know-I've got too much of that bugsmasher time in my book
& my knowledge is lacking
Rotovegas is out over 1500m these days isn't it?
Whilst paengaroa might be a great option for affected outside parties, the fact is each centre losing it's own airport would have significant economic effects on each region. TG Port authority would be a big winner,don't know that the other regions stand to gain too much?
WK-Paengaroa 40mins,RO 30mins,TG-25mins + job losses+vegas loses that direct link between tourist centres- ie Queenstown.
Anyway,it'll never happen 'cause as you say CT7 they'll have to get past the PC brigade first!
But,hey what would I know-I've got too much of that bugsmasher time in my book
& my knowledge is lacking
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Rotovegas could've extended their airport years ago but those who have flown in on R 19, will know the Marae there....
Well it was moved years ago from closer to the field.
Heaven (or maybe the Maori Mobster) only knows why it remained on the centre line......
(Maybe something to do with customary trout rights or swan shooting...????)
Also, in 1969 funds were put aside (1969!!!) to upgrade the airport to B737 standard!!! Way back then!!!
I think those funds went 50/50 to Govt and local council when the airports became privatised or something...???
So those in Rotovegas now have a nice library thanks to the flying frat!!!
Well it was moved years ago from closer to the field.
Heaven (or maybe the Maori Mobster) only knows why it remained on the centre line......
(Maybe something to do with customary trout rights or swan shooting...????)
Also, in 1969 funds were put aside (1969!!!) to upgrade the airport to B737 standard!!! Way back then!!!
I think those funds went 50/50 to Govt and local council when the airports became privatised or something...???
So those in Rotovegas now have a nice library thanks to the flying frat!!!
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b737-700 performance
got this from the boeing website. There graphs weren't that easy to read.
at 1000'amsl a 737-700 looks like it can carry about 122000lbs with the max around 154000 out of 1500m.
this could be wrong,
have heard that jetconnect might be going to take the 737-300 into rot later on in the year, will be interesting to see how they get on.
got this from the boeing website. There graphs weren't that easy to read.
at 1000'amsl a 737-700 looks like it can carry about 122000lbs with the max around 154000 out of 1500m.
this could be wrong,
have heard that jetconnect might be going to take the 737-300 into rot later on in the year, will be interesting to see how they get on.
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Just tried getting a Flight Sim 2004, 737-700 - endorsed by real 737-700 crews whatsmore - outta Rotorua. Even with the new scenery for the new extended runway, I ended up getting a big Maori welcome as I burst through the maraes front door!
Took my shoes off at least...
Took my shoes off at least...
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Thump and go - my point exactly, wouldn't want to be sat there as SLF, and I am only a bug smasher too.
A 737-700 would undoubtedly be able to get in and out, but with 150 punters and their kit (at a guess 17 tonnes +) and enough Jet A1 to get across the ditch, that would be pushing it.
The Jet Connect scenario of CHC and ZQN on less than full loads may be a goer (apparently the Japanese tourist don't like ATR's, or anything else with props).
CT7 - if it was Paengaroa (as was suggested) it gets foggy as hell too, especially late evening, still they could put a CAT 3 ILS in!! Would be a good gateway for Kiwi exports (the fruit, not people).
The plans for Vegas Airport are interesting to say the least. They intend to build a new terminal near the lake side, with this connected to the city via the proposed eastern motorway - except Transit has pulled the funding until 2010, by which time it may not be needed, especially if there is a new airport.
Eurocap - ah that crosswind - and that drizzle, and the updraft from the trees near the Marae (the one's that they won't allow to be chopped down) - all things to make life a little more interesting in a brown stain in the underpants sort of way.
A 737-700 would undoubtedly be able to get in and out, but with 150 punters and their kit (at a guess 17 tonnes +) and enough Jet A1 to get across the ditch, that would be pushing it.
The Jet Connect scenario of CHC and ZQN on less than full loads may be a goer (apparently the Japanese tourist don't like ATR's, or anything else with props).
CT7 - if it was Paengaroa (as was suggested) it gets foggy as hell too, especially late evening, still they could put a CAT 3 ILS in!! Would be a good gateway for Kiwi exports (the fruit, not people).
The plans for Vegas Airport are interesting to say the least. They intend to build a new terminal near the lake side, with this connected to the city via the proposed eastern motorway - except Transit has pulled the funding until 2010, by which time it may not be needed, especially if there is a new airport.
Eurocap - ah that crosswind - and that drizzle, and the updraft from the trees near the Marae (the one's that they won't allow to be chopped down) - all things to make life a little more interesting in a brown stain in the underpants sort of way.
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Ah, those fogs, remember them well.
It wasn't the updrafts that used to get me, it was the tumbling winds off the eastern ridge in a S/Easterly....
Speaking of trees, are the local council still paying them $60,000 to "look after" them??? When the farmer on the ridge had his trees as firewood within 12 hrs of being made aware of the (flight path) problem.
It wasn't the updrafts that used to get me, it was the tumbling winds off the eastern ridge in a S/Easterly....
Speaking of trees, are the local council still paying them $60,000 to "look after" them??? When the farmer on the ridge had his trees as firewood within 12 hrs of being made aware of the (flight path) problem.
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I did hear that NM were to get the 737. In fact training commenced some time ago. The -700 is more capable than the classic (oviously). See Aunty Trev. (alias the Soothsayer) you are getting jets. Over and out!!!
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mate you are a far cry from making a splash with all of this.
try thinking up something that makes sense you knob......
i know who you are and will send the bro's from tg aerosexual club around to wax your arse.... cos i've heard it's bloody hairy...
mate you are a far cry from making a splash with all of this.
try thinking up something that makes sense you knob......
i know who you are and will send the bro's from tg aerosexual club around to wax your arse.... cos i've heard it's bloody hairy...
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Want more rumour????????
A very reliable source tells me that TG is upgrading it's RFS and with that will come the extra flights and also the councils approval for the upgrade of the terminal and apron.
A very reliable source tells me that TG is upgrading it's RFS and with that will come the extra flights and also the councils approval for the upgrade of the terminal and apron.
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Maori Mobster!!!
Read the first post (if you can manage that)
As a ratepayer of the fine metropolis that is Rotovegas the bit about 737-700's was straight out of the local free, in your mailbox, local council info., complete with the picture of Graeme Hall the mayor.
What exactly is it that you don't like? I asked the question who the hell was bringing a 737-700 into ROT, seeing as the council (in their newsletter) claimed that ZQN and CHC would be routes flown by jet from NZRO before Christmas. They (the council, not me) said they were in negotiations for someone to manage the border controls for trans-Tasman flights.
This is D & G rumours and news - you can call this a rumour but maybe if you read this you'll see who is the one who sounds a knob.
Splatgothebugs - I've heard similar soundings, about TG getting ILS, partly due to all the high rise developments in and around TG. Also heard the beacon on top of the Mount is not going to be replaced as they think it is unlikely that CFIT will happen.
As a ratepayer of the fine metropolis that is Rotovegas the bit about 737-700's was straight out of the local free, in your mailbox, local council info., complete with the picture of Graeme Hall the mayor.
What exactly is it that you don't like? I asked the question who the hell was bringing a 737-700 into ROT, seeing as the council (in their newsletter) claimed that ZQN and CHC would be routes flown by jet from NZRO before Christmas. They (the council, not me) said they were in negotiations for someone to manage the border controls for trans-Tasman flights.
This is D & G rumours and news - you can call this a rumour but maybe if you read this you'll see who is the one who sounds a knob.
Splatgothebugs - I've heard similar soundings, about TG getting ILS, partly due to all the high rise developments in and around TG. Also heard the beacon on top of the Mount is not going to be replaced as they think it is unlikely that CFIT will happen.
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Who needs it? Its just a 900 foot bump! And no-one ever gets that low in the dark!
Believe drama is the cabling is old and "someone" won't allow it to be dug up to be replaced.
They cud simply replace it with a solar powered one a-la the lights in the harbour?! But then someone has to foot the bill!
And its not like anyone ever gets thaaat low at night!
Believe drama is the cabling is old and "someone" won't allow it to be dug up to be replaced.
They cud simply replace it with a solar powered one a-la the lights in the harbour?! But then someone has to foot the bill!
And its not like anyone ever gets thaaat low at night!