a little rumour
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I have heard that jet connex is the next budget airline for Qantas, operating the 717's. (which are taking over the national jet services routes) so this would mean that this is the new budget airline Dixon mentioned a week ago, even though he did'nt publicly mention a name then on Tv.
this is where it gets interesting is that the 717's will be operating cheaper than the virgin 737,s over the same routes. this is because of the reliabilty of the 717, and the advanced technology on board the aircraft.
jet connex will also be purchasing more 717's to operate on the east coast. if this is so then the aviation industry is in for a shake up once more.
Kym
this is where it gets interesting is that the 717's will be operating cheaper than the virgin 737,s over the same routes. this is because of the reliabilty of the 717, and the advanced technology on board the aircraft.
jet connex will also be purchasing more 717's to operate on the east coast. if this is so then the aviation industry is in for a shake up once more.
Kym
The low budget airline that Geoff Dixon mentioned is already flying and has been for some years..........its called Impulse. They already have 4 ex Hawian airlines 717's comming...why else would purchasing be buying parts for a rear to front galley reconfig. Hawian 717s are the only ones to have rear galleys.
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I don't think galleys are a concern yet.
from a profit margin point of view Impulse(jetconnex) will be hauling the same number of pax for less time in the air. that can only mean that the twenty percent savings will be made by the 717's over the 146's.
already the 717's do the trip from Mackay to Brisbane half n hour less than the 146's.
from a profit margin point of view Impulse(jetconnex) will be hauling the same number of pax for less time in the air. that can only mean that the twenty percent savings will be made by the 717's over the 146's.
already the 717's do the trip from Mackay to Brisbane half n hour less than the 146's.
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Geez Kym, are your 717s on steroids?
half an hour saving on a 431nm (stright line) route???
That'd require a TAS in the region of 540 kts. Boeing's Tech Specs put typical 717 cruise speed at 504mph (440 kts)/M0.77.
If you're going to embellish you need to be more realistic.
half an hour saving on a 431nm (stright line) route???
That'd require a TAS in the region of 540 kts. Boeing's Tech Specs put typical 717 cruise speed at 504mph (440 kts)/M0.77.
If you're going to embellish you need to be more realistic.
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kym-
*FACT* Impulse is AIRCONNEX!!! Get it right. Jetconnect is the NZ subsidiary. Jetconnex doesn't exist, my friend.
*FACT* Virgin's cost per seat is less than the 717s as they cram more in. So that's hardly a level playing field. Not to mention Virgin's 737s are much more versatile. As lovely as they are the 717s just don't go far.
Oh and kym. Whatever pills you are taking.... Can I have some?
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*FACT*
Those rear cart stowages were purchased for trim reasons due to the heavy flight deck doors being installed at the front. It also enables us to offer full meals on double catered services vs. the current reduced product on Tassie and HTI flights. These cart stowages are behind the last row on both sides. There is space in each stowage for a full size cart, an Atlas box, and Atlas drawer. That is what the stowages are for. REALLY - conspiracy theories aside.
Hawaiian's 717's do not have a Galley 2 or toilet at the front. Instead of the rear port toilet they have two half carts - hardly a galley. They also only have one toilet. The galley they do have at the front is also two half carts. Not extactly stoage plus! If Impulse were to buy these 717s they would need to fit a full Galley 2 and a toilet at the front. And also remove the carts down the back and replace with a loo. Quite expensive if they were to do that. Have a good look at the QF and HA seatmaps for the 717s. The toilet and galley configs. are quite different. HA fit in 123 pax, and that includes a First Class cabin!!!
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The pax VERY often comment on the reduced flying time of the 717. Especially just after the change over. Not sure about the 30 mins though! Did ROK-BNE in 38mins today...
*FACT* Impulse is AIRCONNEX!!! Get it right. Jetconnect is the NZ subsidiary. Jetconnex doesn't exist, my friend.
*FACT* Virgin's cost per seat is less than the 717s as they cram more in. So that's hardly a level playing field. Not to mention Virgin's 737s are much more versatile. As lovely as they are the 717s just don't go far.
Oh and kym. Whatever pills you are taking.... Can I have some?
nomorecatering-
*FACT*
Those rear cart stowages were purchased for trim reasons due to the heavy flight deck doors being installed at the front. It also enables us to offer full meals on double catered services vs. the current reduced product on Tassie and HTI flights. These cart stowages are behind the last row on both sides. There is space in each stowage for a full size cart, an Atlas box, and Atlas drawer. That is what the stowages are for. REALLY - conspiracy theories aside.
Hawaiian's 717's do not have a Galley 2 or toilet at the front. Instead of the rear port toilet they have two half carts - hardly a galley. They also only have one toilet. The galley they do have at the front is also two half carts. Not extactly stoage plus! If Impulse were to buy these 717s they would need to fit a full Galley 2 and a toilet at the front. And also remove the carts down the back and replace with a loo. Quite expensive if they were to do that. Have a good look at the QF and HA seatmaps for the 717s. The toilet and galley configs. are quite different. HA fit in 123 pax, and that includes a First Class cabin!!!
Capt Claret-
The pax VERY often comment on the reduced flying time of the 717. Especially just after the change over. Not sure about the 30 mins though! Did ROK-BNE in 38mins today...
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G'day Ditzy,
I'm not suggesting that the 717 isn't quicker. Really there's nothing I can think of that's slower!
But half n hour less, on a regular basis, just isn't realistic over such a short sector.
I'm not suggesting that the 717 isn't quicker. Really there's nothing I can think of that's slower!
But half n hour less, on a regular basis, just isn't realistic over such a short sector.
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I yuster fly them DC9s once, long ago and far away... pratts... 350 kts at 4.5 dme on dept., if I remember right, and 350 kts at 10 dme straight in... and I don't know if anyone ever found out how fast one would go if you forgot to set cruise power, the mach just kept creeping out.
Certainly no-one in a 737 ever got even close to passing one, except going the other way.
Certainly no-one in a 737 ever got even close to passing one, except going the other way.
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Ive heard alot of people saying that once the 717 leases are up they are gone?Too anyone who actually flys them here in Oz!How would they go say flying up the guts,Adl-asp-dwn?
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Galleys...for the slaves that will row them.
GD is grasping at straws if he thinks setting up another low cost operator will do anything other than lower his price point in the market and destroy the main brand.
Australian Airlines is a case in point. New paint job, new uniforms, lower cost.
Lower fares?? No way!!
The Japanese market has taken to AA like a cat to water. No blankets, no date rolls and the same surly service for the same price.
What's on the menu??
Take it or leave it!!
I'll leave it thank you.
GD is grasping at straws if he thinks setting up another low cost operator will do anything other than lower his price point in the market and destroy the main brand.
Australian Airlines is a case in point. New paint job, new uniforms, lower cost.
Lower fares?? No way!!
The Japanese market has taken to AA like a cat to water. No blankets, no date rolls and the same surly service for the same price.
What's on the menu??
Take it or leave it!!
I'll leave it thank you.
