Undercover you are still misleading the debate. Nobody has a pay claim in for parity with pilots. There is a very reasonable sectional claim for ATCOs that would address the major problems if management cared to take it up. That is the issue for here and now.

Having had a look at your posts I see you have a nice coinsistent line of support for management. Hope you are not leaving us soon for a job in Ireland. ;) ;)

Call me a cynic (many have) but I'll bet next year's pay rise that if Manager ATC asks SRG for a change in the rules they will lie on their backs and put their feet in the air. SRG have proved to be the toothless wonders we all suspected they were. Within a month we will have T&P combined at night without correctly validated assistants and for good measure they will probably declare Swanwick at night to be self relieving. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Z

One of the reasons management 'may' ask SRG (or ATSSD as they now are) to combine T&P, for the night shift ONLY, is that some watches are shooting everyone in the foot. When the senior managers come in on a night (for example DD&C) they see some sectors ROUTINELY work combined T&P, despite it being against MOPS etc. etc. So they have GOT to ask themselves that if the watches think its OK, why should NATS not take advantage and utilise staff who doss down at night to work traffic during the day?

Fair Comment. If that is really going on then it is about time the managers, supervisors and LAS's stopped it. There is at least one watch where it definitely is not happening.

Z