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Hooligan Bill 2nd January 2012 20:38

The real stupid thing is his name was Blaise not Hector! :confused:

GAPSTER 3rd January 2012 06:22

"...because we think we know best ..." ok it's a morning duty so I'll rise to it.Having had numerous Yankee operators down the years read back a pressure setting in inches I see every reason why this was introduced.Check your facts and don't be an arse.

rich_g85 3rd January 2012 08:31

I smile every time I hear it on the Bournemouth ATIS, the automated voice almost sounds 'surprised' to be saying it. :)

dagowly 3rd January 2012 09:28

The NOTAM about it that said 1mb = exactly 1 Hectopascal. Wonder who got a promotion/raise for changing things for change's sake?

fwjc 3rd January 2012 20:15

Hooligan Bill - your observation made me laugh out loud!

10W 4th January 2012 02:47

I blame the French !! ;)

FinDir 4th January 2012 08:48

I personally think we should have at least split the difference and gone for "Hectobars"

dagowly 4th January 2012 08:51

The last aircraft i spoke to before the Christmas break, the pilot read it back 'hectobollocks', kinda summed it up for me.

chevvron 5th January 2012 09:34

At the UK Phraseology Working Group (UKPWG) meeting where this was discussed, it was originally decided (using evidence from other countries) that there would be no requirement to add 'hectopascals' where the pressure was below 1000. Post meeting, one single ANSP reversed their opinion and objected, so now we're lumbered.
NB: Use of the word 'hectopascals' as opposed to 'millibars' is ICAO standard to which the UK filed a 'difference', however, EASA required the UK to comply as it's standard throughout Europe.

JustaFew 6th January 2012 20:47

Think the French may pronounce it, ''ectopascals'...

You back in the seat now, Jim (Hooli Bill)?

Crazy Voyager 6th January 2012 21:07

So maybe if the french start using millibars it would work? :ok:

ZOOKER 6th January 2012 22:45

Ee, I bet they're called 'ectopascles oop in Yorkshire and Lancashire. :ok:

obwan 7th January 2012 18:02

Personally I thought the world had gone mad when aviation got rid of oktas to describe cloud cover. You knew where you were with 8 oktas; scattered, broken and whatever else it is doesn't do it for me. I blame the end of grammar schools and the EEC and lots of other things.

radarman 7th January 2012 21:01

obwan,

Couldn't agree more, especially when Few, Scattered etc are defined with reference to oktas in the first place. Let's dumb down met reports even more: let's have just four visibility states - Excellent, Good, Medium and Poor. :E

ZOOKER 7th January 2012 21:27

radarman,
loving your work. Wx has not been the same since we ditched 'Oktas'. Hey, in a country with an expanding population, let's bring back met observers, you know, people with a genuine interest in the weather. Let's pay them for having an interest in applied physical sciences, rather than simply becoming a footballer, a footballer's wife, 'celebrity' or some pointless, marketing toss-pot.

obwan 8th January 2012 08:46

Would just like to correct Zooker's earlier post. Surely Yaarkshire folk would say byecktopascals.:ok:

LEGAL TENDER 8th January 2012 12:13

it's all about habit. I never worked with oktas and to me FEW SCT BKN and OVC are the norm. It's all I ever knew.
The same thing will happen with hPa.
It's not a big deal, we get paid a decent amount of money to adapt to small changes!

25 DME FIX 8th January 2012 12:51

ZOOKER/LEGAL TENDER

Check out CAP 410 Part A, according to current version of this we haven't changed from either millibars or oktas. Appears that the CAA version of a Quality Management System and Safety Management System is not as robust as they keep telling us ours should be!

vulcanised 8th January 2012 16:39

Hectopascals
 
Sounds to me like something from the sweetshop.

'A quarter of hectopascals please'.

055166k 8th January 2012 20:59

No, you get hectopascals from the chemist...next to cough lozenges. Mealy bars were from the sweet shop!


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