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fisbangwollop 10th April 2009 15:12

PB is doing what he is good at.....the following an extract from the Times in 2003.............
THE stricken Anglo-French industrial giant Alstom is to cut its UK staff from 10,000 to 5,000 and reduce the status of operations here from an exporting base to a “service” centre.
Most of the workers will be transferred to new employers, but about 1,100 jobs will go at Washwood Heath, Alstom’s train factory in Birmingham. Unions said last week that they feared 2,000 British jobs would eventually be lost in the restructuring. As part of a €3.4 billion (£2.4 billion) refinancing package, the French state has taken a one-third stake in the company, and underwritten a bond issue.

Senior executives said yesterday they had received no support from British ministers in their attempts to keep train-building and power-export contracts in Britain. Only last week the company’s plea for a £30m export credit to support a power-station contract in Malaysia was turned down.

Assistance would have brought a £100m contract to the company’s Manchester power operations. “Their letters basically said they would not support us because the market (for credit guarantees) was not that difficult,” said Paul Barron, Alstom’s senior UK executive.


I would have thought if he has got a 9% bonus its money well spent..........saved NATS a fortune on future pensions cost's and saving even more by paying us bugger all of a pay rise.....I guess once he has destroyed NATS as he did to Alstom he will move on to pastures new!!!!:(

landedoutagain 10th April 2009 15:17

He doesnt seem to like manchester though, closing down everything he's managed there... Watch out City and United!

beaver liquor 10th April 2009 16:13

Just wait til Ian Mills is in charge. Thats when we really need to be afraid :uhoh:

BDiONU 10th April 2009 16:26


Originally Posted by beaver liquor (Post 4852569)
Just wait til Ian Mills is in charge. Thats when we really need to be afraid :uhoh:

Effectively he already is, everything (almost literally) goes through him. PB is essentially a figurehead.

BD

anotherthing 10th April 2009 18:01

BD,

I think I misheard you, I thought for one minute you said PB was a figurehead

ImnotanERIC 12th April 2009 21:15

BBC NEWS | England | Wiltshire | Strike considered over pay freeze

just seen this.
represented by prospect. who are outraged apparently. I can't imagine they would be outraged if we were getting a pay freeze. slightly miffed, a little disappointed maybe, never outraged.

Standard Noise 12th April 2009 21:41

Ah well, you are talking about the union which successfully fought off privatisation.







Of VOSA.

PeltonLevel 13th April 2009 10:04

Changing union
 
A belated response to Loxley's suggestion and Mr777's question on 9th.April


On a serious note, how would we theoretically go about getting a new Union to represent us?
I outlined the process in my post on 30th March:
There are three main grounds for derecognition (see http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?type=RESOURCES&itemId=1074439033):
  • the employer no longer employs 21 or more workers
  • the union no longer has enough support from workers in the bargaining unit - the group of workers the union represents
  • union membership in the bargaining unit falls below 50 per cent
Presumably we are considering the second case here

Derecognition owing to lack of support - worker application
A worker (or workers) from the bargaining unit can apply to the Central Arbitration Committee (CAC) for derecognition - but only where no such similar application has been made in the past three years. If the CAC accepts the application as valid, it will try to help the workers, union and employer reach an agreement on derecognition. If an agreement is not reached, the CAC will arrange a secret ballot to test worker support for derecognition. However, it will do this only if it believes that:
- at least 10 per cent of the workers in the bargaining unit favour derecognition, and
- a majority of the workers in the bargaining unit are likely to favour derecognition
A union will be derecognised as a result of the ballot if a majority of those voting and at least 40 per cent of those entitled to vote favour derecognition.

anotherthing 13th April 2009 10:05

And privatisation of the Post Office is being robustly fought - of course the Post Office is such a safety orientated organisation that privatisation would not be a good idea.

ATC on the other hand... :ugh:

Expect a 3.4% 2 year pay deal to be motioned (after the special delegate conference where NSL will get screwed).

Around 2.5% this year and 0.9% the year after...

Me Me Me Me 14th April 2009 10:14

Whoever told you PCG pay rises were cancelled.... was wrong.

Me Me Me Me 14th April 2009 14:26

On another note...

Announcement due imminently... watch your intranet browser with interest :ok:

Not sure whether to be outraged or delighted... possibly both. :suspect:

anotherthing 14th April 2009 14:33

me me me me

Some of us are not in work for a while - any chance of a precis either here or in the NATS private forum??

It's not the announcement that Mr Barron is leaving, is it? That's the only one of my pre-pension vote predictions that is still to come true...

DotMac 14th April 2009 15:08

Oooh... go on, you can't leave a cliff hanger like that. Just logged in using Home Access to see if anything's on email or natsnet, but nothing yet....

DotMac

Vote NO 14th April 2009 15:41

Its not the announcement that the airline group :mad: are getting tens of millions at our expense is it ?? :confused:
And we are getting a decent pay rise ??!! :eek:

This could be the sweetener to restore morale ...

You heard it here first :E

terrain safe 14th April 2009 16:08


Around 2.5% this year and 0.9% the year after...
Shurley you forgot the RPI+ in front :ok::ok::ok: .

Would have to be on leave this week as well. If NSL get screwed that is the end of the union in NSL. the big question is who do we get?

anotherthing 14th April 2009 16:12

t-s


Shurley you forgot the RPI+ in front
not a chance, unfortunately. The only people getting double figure annual pay rises this year are management.

ZOOKER 14th April 2009 16:36

NEW PRESTWICK CENTRE UNEXEPECTEDLY HIT BY METEORITE ! :ok::ok::E:E:}:}

Vote NO 14th April 2009 16:43

More chance of that than anyone from Manch going there :}

250 kts 14th April 2009 17:49


Expect a 3.4% 2 year pay deal to be motioned (after the special delegate conference where NSL will get screwed).

Around 2.5% this year and 0.9% the year after...
And maybe this is just the reason that negotiations are kept under wraps. I asked my rep yesterday if he knew about this and the answer was a firm "no".

But no doubt the hares are running now over this figure. One that I have to say I would be fairly happy with

Just let the negotiators do what they have to do.

PS. Zooker, which planet are you on-unfortunately not the one you suggest has just been hit.

Track Jitter 14th April 2009 19:33

MeMeMe

Whoever told you PCG pay rises were cancelled.... was wrong.
Not cancelled, will be reviewed in September.
I posted

PCG's are not getting any rise I hear but that will be reviewed in September.
Two PCG's told us that so it must be true? :rolleyes:
They would not try and mislead us, would they?


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