Scottish Control
 

Sorry to show my ignorance (question probably posed previously) but does anyone know when the move to the new ATCC is scheduled to take place. I understand that the sub centre currently located at Manchester is due to be incorporated into the new facility - will the call sign still be "Manchester Control" or will pilots be calling Scotish as they climb out south over Cheshire?

I wouldn't think the R/T callsign will be affected by the geographical location of the unit, otherwise there would be a "Swanwick Director" for EGLL, or maybe even a "Starbucks Control" !! :)

There will be a phased transition, the dates currently being worked to (not set in stone except MACC) are the military going live in November 2009, ScACC in December and MACC in January 2010.
The callsign of Prestwick Centre is under discussion and will be subject to approval by DAP.

BD

No discussion, the New Scottish Centre will have two callsigns. Those sectors currently run by Manchester will have the callsign "Manchester Control", the sectors currently run by Scottish will have the callsign "Scottish Control". Nobody is going to alter that, I'm not using a different callsign to placate the Manch controllers, and the Manch guys aren't stupid such that using some generic w*nky callsign is going to make the move any easier.

And that's from the horses mouth, not it's arse.

PS VOTE NO

:rolleyes: Prestwick Centre will have a single callsign, mandated by law.

BD

Is that the new, abridged version of the military? ;)

Unless MoD change their minds again ;)

BD

I was led to believe it was NATS, this time. Maybe they should just leave everything as it is. :ok:

Which law would that be?

Anglia Radar,done from Aberdeen has the callsign Anglia Radar.All other sectors done from Aberdeen have separate callsigns.Haven't heard of this law either.

"Manchester Radar" in a Scots accent is going to sound fantastic.....

There will be only one callsign at PC. What it will be I don't know but, once cross training starts you cannot have one quarter of the Ops Room (layout not size) calling themselves something different.

TUTH

But maybe better than a Mancunian accent?

But I guess it's hard to tell - last time I saw Manch there weren't many Mancunians there!

manchester radar will still be in manchester tho! :ok:

Doncaster radar is (was?) done from liverpool!

Sorry to pee on your corn flakes chaps, but there is something written in one of those mindless ICAO docs that tries to standardise ATCC callsigns. I'm not convinced it is enshrined in UK law but, assuming the UK hasn't filed a difference, I guess there will be a common name. Certainly the mil adopted "London Mil" when Swanwick/LATCC(Mil) merged.

Pennine Radar, what's that? I thought you lot off-loaded that particular task to LATCC(Mil) a few years back.

NATS apply to the Directorate of Airspace Policy for a unit callsign and DAP decides on what the unit callsign may be. ATSSD licences the unit to provide an ATC service using the callsign which they're authorised to use. The law to which I'm refering is the licence.

BD

Each of those unit tasks has a separate licence. Prestwick Centre will have a single licence for the unit.

BD

well, if its based on what the licence says, I hope that the guys at manch get a big payrise if they have to change their licences to scottish control. After all, scotland is much bigger than manchester....! :}

A competition will be run shortly in the company glossy mag, "Airway" or whetever they call it now to come up with a new callsign.....the winning vote will recieve an all expenses trip to Wonderwest world Ayr , or is it called Craig Tara now?.....the runner up will recieve 2 weeks in the Bahamas in the company of Mr Barron!!....

My vote is for Redbrae Contol.:ok:

Is there not a different and unassociated unit that already uses that prefix? What a strange idea.

Ahhh, let's look at this, bit by bit. I always thought that and applicant wishing to establish an Aeronautical Ground Station proposed the callsign to be used. The CAA/DAP assesses whether it is appropriate and in accordance with ICAO SARPs and, if it is, will accept the use of that callsign in association with the radio station. As I understand it, CAA/DAP does not simply decide what the station callsign will be. This process seems to be consistent with the text on the relevant application form - Form SRG 1417.

When you say that CAA/SRG/ATSD licences the unit to provide a service are you talking about the approval to provide an air traffic service issued under the provisions of Article 100 of the ANO? Or perhaps you mean the approval to operate the equipment issued under the provisions of Article 124 of the ANO? Or maybe even the radio station licence which is not issued by the CAA but rather by Ofcom? None of which really are 'law' - I suspect what you mean is that the station operator must comply with the conditions of the licence or approval related to the operation of the equipment.

I have to say that I have personally seen dozens of ATC units which use a number of different callsigns, all from the same facility too. They're called aerodromes. Why, I've even sat next to another controller, as close as I am to this computer, and used a different callsign to my colleague - don't push me too much on the details but I think my callsign ended with 'Ground' and my colleague's with 'Tower'. My, when I think back, those were confusing days - having to remember which callsign to useand when. Mind you, I guess it must be OK because one of those mindless ICAO docs to which Lurking, one of your colleague I would have to guess, refers seems to be written in such a way as to mean that callsigns reflect the unit or service being provided. It's Annex 10 Vol 2 para 5.2.1.7.1 if you want to look it up.

So, I'm afraid I'm still a bit puzzled by this law you mentioned.....

New Shanwick Control (or shanwick)
 

As it looks like Oceanic will be the inaugural users of npc/pc/new prestwick/npwick/new shanwick shouldn't we just stick with that. After all, whats in a name?:D

What was wrong with McNERC?

Spitoon Your post encapsulates what I was trying to say in my clumsy way "what you mean is that the station operator must comply with the conditions of the licence or approval related to the operation of the equipment."
DAP don't allocate the callsign but can refuse to allow the use of a proposal, as in the case of TC moving South from WD.

BD

Did DAP get involved in the Swanwick Watch re-brandings then, or was that just an internal willy wave? :)

have heard a rumour that the NPC 'super' watches will not be colours like swanwick, but names based on tartans.... :}

The Ocean and the Mil will go across at the same time, Nov 09. That is the latest plan, no doubt subject to change!

What...Black watch then....




hat coat sporran.......

Will there be language training?

Apparently no one is going to Scottish from Manch, so it will still be called Scottish :}

Lurking,
I think you need to look at this...Parliamo Scots?

Essential reading for any potential immigrant from Manchester to Scotland

Great Scottish Inventions, which include The Bank Of England and radar :E

SCOTLAND'S INVENTIONS

And

Scotland was a completely separated land mass from England in the days of Pangaea. They collided millions of years ago, and stuck together ever since, but their geological composition is totally different :eek:

Callsign for PC
 

How about "Preston Airways" ...


JD
;)

Those were the days!!!:ok:

How's aboot...PATCRU...Prestwick Air Traffic Control Radar Unit...:ok: