As 747 says, its probably not a bad thing for some ppl to blow off some steam here. I dont think that there is any purpose in attacking each other personally, but it is good for others to know what the conditions that we have to work under are like.

It makes me really sad when people use this platform (or any platform for that matter) to insult each other or group certain colleagues together in a bad light. There is no point in doing that and it simply will not make the system any better. Lets try to grab the challenges by the horns, and create something positive out of all this. If the ATC's stand together, and put their foot down and say that enough is enough, then management is bound to take note. We are blessed with a compitent and sympathetic Minister at the top. Unfortunately many management staff below him do not show the same vision as he does, and hamper his effort in making our working conditions any better. As do some of our administrative support sections. (yes i know they also face challenges)

I think that its fair to say that most ATC's who are still remaining in this system are here for the love of their jobs and this country. If money was the motivating factor, we simply wouldn't still be here.

I also think that its high time that management take note of our working conditions and make genuine efforts to imrove our situation. Please take note that I'm not only talking about money here. It is very frustrating when OT payments are late or when retroactive allowances are not paid for 6 months etc. Why should I sit at work on weekends worrying about bills that i cannot pay? Or why should I spend the little off time that I have generating extra income so that I can pay my bills?

While on shift recently I received a call from my bank informing me that my home-loan payment has not been received by the bank. This payment is directly deducted from my salary and paid to the bank by my salary section. This put me in a situation where I had to find extra money until I was refunded. When I queried the situation, I was told, with a shrug of the shoulders, that it was the fault of the new system which they work with that causes these problems. There was also no way for me to detect this beforehand as no payslips were received because the machine printing them was broken. Fact is that my credit record at the bank has now been affected by this.

Its these little things that add up and cause endless frustration amongst ATC's. Add them to the extra hours that we are expected to put in due to staff shortage, and you have the results as demostrated by the above posts.

If we lose even only one or two of the six ATC's who are currently negotiating for other jobs, we have a huge problem. In fact we already have a huge problem. What makes the pill even more bitter to swallow, is that we have foreseen this problem years in advance. Numerous meetings were held to discuss the staff shortage, on various levels, yet it all fell on deaf ears. Several safety audits held during the past few years have identified the staff shortage as an area of serious concern. Yet nothing was done. Now, rumour has it, that contract positions will be advertised, offering higher salaries than we earn now. Hopefully someone will have the whisdom as to not insult us to such an extent.

EISHHHHH.....

PS: Voel, any birdies whisper anything in your ears re contract positions? What is the progress on the NCAA?

PS you just love contract workers don`t you.... !! :mad: especially when they have far more experience than you....:ugh:

BIGman

Dont worry. We'd love to have you back. We miss all the entertainment... :D

Hi BIVO!:}

Your reply is very true, please just don't attck the guys that are leaving.:=

Checkouts are a joke; NO medical; NO endorsment; NO management; unreliable payments of salary and OT; NO just culture; NO ethics; corruption; etc.

And you call the MOVERS "rotten apples".....:=

The sh..t in this country is peanuts compared to the rest of Africa. (ZIM... crime in SA, etc.)

And nobody may say anything....

ROTTEN APPLE in your face!

I don`t think it will be anytime soon.....

....we just had a pay increase equivalent to your monthly salary...:}

Well done that manager.....:D

rawitact :ooh:

what ever blows you hair back

atc namibia
 

Well, reading all this on namibia, sounds more like the work of the germans currently working in namibia. None of them give credit to the nam-gov. The minister is hard at work making the airspace safe and all u hear is the salaries are not good. I think its time that they realise this is not they country and pack their bags and go back to Europe. if they think South Africa is the answer than i,ve got news for them, that is also a black country and the chances of them making it there are very bleak!!!!! As far as i know the only good controller is a dead one or one who retired, they should stop calling themselves good controllers( just look at the V5KLB saga). By the way knowing or sleeping with a pilot does not make u a good controller.Call it but what u want (maybe racism) but thats the truth. Get out whille u are still tollerated. I did it and I am HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nam atc
 

atc namibia --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Well, reading all this on namibia, sounds more like the work of the germans currently working in namibia. None of them give credit to the nam-gov. The minister is hard at work making the airspace safe and all u hear is the salaries are not good. I think its time that they realise this is not they country and pack their bags and go back to Europe. if they think South Africa is the answer than i,ve got news for them, that is also a black country and the chances of them making it there are very bleak!!!!! As far as i know the only good controller is a dead one or one who retired, they should stop calling themselves good controllers( just look at the V5KLB saga). By the way knowing or sleeping with a pilot does not make u a good controller.Call it but what u want (maybe racism) but thats the truth. Get out whille u are still tollerated. I did it and I am HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OOPS !!!!

This thing just became racist... Funny how those claiming that other's are racist mostly are themselves.

New to this site JAR? You should post replies on the thread u're reading and not on ATC humour like you did at first. Although it is kinda funny. Anyway, enjoy nightshift. Dont miss any calls.

Bye bye :D

That my friend is more dangerous than anything anyone has said! seems to me you have a problem against europeans! That is racism!!!! You have just become the perfect example of a racist! What would you say if the europeans told all non-europeans to pack their bags and go back to wherever they came from although they were born in europe and know no other place as their home. but that doesn't count am i right! cause then the europeans would be racist. I think that there would be an international crisis!

I bet there a alot of whites working in africa, who are born in africa and proud to be african and yet attitudes like that will be bring a country to its knees! We need each other no matter what your colour and that ZAR004 is the reason why there is brain drain happening in africa. People are sick of this attitude! don't blame the old regime.

Look very carefully at yourself, would you like to pack up your bags and maybe go to your country of birth if your not 100% namibian yourself then?

Thank you ZAR004, for making these comments you have just proved to everyone why people want to leave! The money is bad yes but what is even worse is the way you treat your fellow collegues. This behaviour is unacceptable in the free and democratic namibia. No matter what anyone has written past and present it was never an issue of racism but quality of service and standards of safety.

You attitude is more dangerous and Minister Kaapanda should see the real reason why the "europeans" are leaving. Cause know we now for a fact the way you feel about your none african collegues even if they were born and grew up in namibia and only have namibian passports!

Voel...have you spotted the dissent amongst the ranks.....? its been there for a long time.... :sad:

B747ATP
Well said :D

Finally the world knows....

ZAR004:ouch:

ATP747:D

I smell a nervous sailor... somewhere.....

Hey ZAR, open your mouth so you can change feet!

BIG OOPS hey? :=

Sounds like "one colonialist, one bullet" is this moron's way of thinking.

If the minister worked so hard to get the airspace safe, why then is it in this sad state of affairs? Its been in Swapo's hands since 1991 and where has it gone since? Is that also the Germans' fault? Are they the ATCOs working without licenses or the ones who had the midair just to the north of WHV and nothing ever came of it? I think not.
And I seriously doubt we'll hear of ZAR004 again. Recently joined and never to post again......unless under a new pseudonym perhaps.

WC

I'm afraid that this forum has reached its sell-by date. People are saying things that they might regret. Lets channel our energy into a more positive direction?

Namatca
 

This is now floating around...

WC looks like you have a matter on hand

Very nice!

This is so typical!

The DCA is falling appart and somebody in NAMATCA has a total disregard towards the profession and the issue at hand. Instead of talking to the Minister about the problems and challanges, they would rather play the blame-game.

Nothing has changed since the board of inquery published their report in the mid 1990s and nothing will.

as they say...
 

by reading the ZAR-saga looks like ZAR blames the old regime for if it doesn't rain and if it rains he blames them any way ......
hey rawitact... the statement is is s:mad:t.... is NAMATCA afraid of the truth??? wait for the big bang .. again.. and then lets see how they explain that one:yuk:

Hi sputnik

how do you know me? I was already in the NAMATCA Constitution...

There is a lot more. Maybe some individuals don't belong to the same Association; which is accidently afiliated to IFATCA.

constitution????
 

An association normally must support their members... or might it be in this case they only support their own agenda...?????????:confused:

Anyone know what happened to J's voice at the control? Haven't heard her clear, concise, modulated inflections for a while...she left us?:sad:

Plan B

J got a few days off.

U miss her already? Get used to it!

I also got a nice letter on PM. Anybody wants to see?

Freesky :cool:

I want to see that! Is it as bad as the previous one?

Did some pidgon have 4 resignations attached? :rolleyes: Can you find out?

pigeon
 

... heard that that pigeon is heading down south with a couple of applications ,but it dropped off some resignations first:ok:.....

3 have resigned; 1 to follow....

The fare-well party will be on Friday 30 Nov 2007

Everybody seems to be invited!

Venue seems to be somewhere on Eros airport or close by!

More info will be posted as soon as it comes to me.

Voel
 

:}Anybody expect this?:ugh:

zar004. Happy now?:yuk:

Hey voël,http://www.pprune.org/forums/images/icons/mpangel.gif I guess you need to keep your life west on? Hope you have enough, but mind you, those who left no longer need theirs.:=

Well well well.

I predicted people leaving. Didn't think it would happen so fast...

I also predicted that it would affect safety in Namibia's skies. Did anyone turn the aircons up?

Yellow submarine
 

Dear Square head

as predicted the DCA Titanic has hit iceberg and now has started sinking quicker than expected with captain still on board. Hope you can hold your breath long enough for the yellow submarine to save you!!!:ok:

Aircons??
 

The Windhoek FIR is the moddern 'Conair' Who conned who?:{

Zim controllers are seen, :}by management:}, as the only option out of this debacle. Which type of contract :8will they be offerd? Since they are specialized in either TWR/APP or ACC it will take some namibians training time and namibian government $$ to get the 4 locals replaced. It is obvious that the namibians are on the loosing side again.:*

IATA had some foresight in declearing this a 126,9 airspace. :D

Party
 

What do you oke`s know about braai`ng a skaap...huh...? :8

spitbraai
 

well bigman we know a lot bout a spitbraai... it always depends what you put on the spit....how about a juicy tender corruption story from the management .....or the the back payments that are recieved by certain government officials for some dodgy deals... or just plain a big fat "skaap op die kolle"... by the way you are welcomed to join in on the braai got some cold beers waiting for you....

Telephone?
 

:ok:
Is this party at the same location where the telephone lines got burned??
(+-13 Years ago):confused:

ring-ring
 

yup thats the place .... remember we need lots of wood ...lot of s..t to be burned...

Is this party at the same location where the telephone lines got burned??
(+-13 Years ago)



I was`nt party to that.....promise :}

Thanks Sputnik ...but I`ll sit this one out.....enjoy :ok:

It will cost money any ways even the training for the 4 ex locals costed something.who ever they going to work for will spend money is it not.

Howzit ZAR...

Welcome back. Thought we lost you for ever there...

Now you keep on thinking along those lines and things will be great. You're really making progress here.

Well done.