Niall, the SDT questions are part of Stage 1. I would recommend some practice as this is an area a lot of people seem to have difficulty with.

NiallD

yes there are alot of speed/distance/time questions in the second part of the 1st set of tests.

I did mine last Friday and you were given 18minutes to answer 30 long winded questions!

good luck

Email address
 

Hi guys,

I'm just wondering whether anyone knows the email address I should send my education certificate to? I've looked online and can only find the email for the occupational health department. Also the guys who have had confirmation of their security clearance, how long did it take before you received this confirmation?

Many Thanks
GavDarv

after a fail at nats you have a period of 12 months to wait does this apply to eurocontrol as in failing nats then applyin to eurocontrol ?

when you guys talk about stage one, are you referring to the online (at home) tests that you complete immediately after submitting your application form? does anyone else have any useful info on this as I have mine to do asap

Hi

Sphil your msg was real encouraging..
I have my stage 1 on 23 july...
am preparing!!! ooopppsss a kinda scared..

well abt the ATC document???
we have quite a number of aircraft details in there.. can someone suggest a way get those into my head... real confusing..

@PA22 : Stage 1 referred here is not the one you take at home..
its the one after that... you schedule a date with NATS and take up the test in one of the centres..
:):)

NATS selection process feedback
 

WbATC
 

Try not to think about memorizing all the aircraft details for stage 1, but try and group the aircraft. Like large, medium, small aircraft, and also what flights they would make e.g transatlantic, european and so on.

Hope that helps.
rsk

Out of curiosity, do the dates listed in the doc for things like the introduction of the NOTA matter, or is it just to pad out the doc with specific info?

Four King Cubes
 

Good afternoon,

With the ntention of signing up for some NATS testing hilarity later in the year, I'd like to practise some Cubes. I'm aware that I could be less lazy, and make some for myself, but I'm looking to achieve something different.

Is there a "trick," other than the rubber, to ensuring that you get a correct answer? I'd like not to cheat if possible, but there has to be some sniff of logic the the puzzles. If not, does somebody have a book or something full of Cubes to practise with?

Cheers,
Adam

If you cheat you will get caught and you will get chucked out, with no option to return ever again. Quite rightly so. The tests are not perfect but they are there for a reason. If you have to cheat, you are not suitable for the job.

There is logic to the puzzles, that is why they are included...

You have not applied yet, so if you are worried about the cubes, why not get some paper and scissors and cut yourself out all the different shapes that can be folded into cubes, then practice?

If you can't be bothered to do that when it seems that you do have a doubt about your spatial reasoning then, again, you are probably not suitable for the job.

Beware of what you write on PPRuNe - lots of people in the business read it - even the Chief Exec of NATS... there aren't going to be that many 'Adams' from Farnborough that apply to join NATS within the next couple of years... there are many traits within ATC, but mention of cheating is not a trait that will be welcomed by any of your future interviewers or instructors!

Anotherthing,

I have applied previously, and some kind person in HR pointed out to me that my "spatial reasoning could've been better," hence I know that I have issues with Cubes. I have no intention of cheeting whatsoever, and I also have no issue with a member of staff at NATS reading what I write here. Honesty is the best policy: Adam from Farnborough IS coming to town to play with some Cubes at some point, and Adam from Farnborough IS quite worried about his Cubes.

The intention of this thread wasn't to boycott the cubes, it was to attempt to find the best way for me to practise, without me having to make the Cubes myself. If I make the Cubes, I know how they work. If somebody else does, I actually have to work it out. All I'm asking is to be pointed in the direction of some cubes before I attempt to make some myself.

Cheers,
Adam

Not a problem Adam, it's just a worry when someone mentions cheating when it comes to the tests, even if in jest... you have to be very careful what you write nowadays as it may be taken literally... it is very difficult through written word on an internet forum to gauge how a comment was intended.

Making your own cubes for practice is in no way cheating - if it helps you to understand the mechanics behind the folds, then it is worth doing... otherwise you may never know whether the answers you arrive at using a 3rd parties cubes was by luck or by skill.

As an aside, I always recommend to people 'test your own IQ' books, just to get your brain workng in a logical way. The test are timed so add pressure... I used them, whether they actually worked or not I do not know, but they never did me any harm. The author 'HJ Eysenck' if you search on Amazon, was the ones I used but others are available..


Good luck when you take the tests again.

When I went through the selection process my local library had some books with numerous examples of the cubes, and other pattern recognition used in these types of tests. I found them extremely useful to use in preparation for the NATS selection tests.

I can't remember the books (it was several years ago) but would suggest taking a trip to the library and seeing what they have.

mingmongaloo

am equally curious on that.. :(

@mingmongaloo
@WbATC

When I sat the exam there were no questions relating to those dates regarding NOTA.

Hi all,

I applied for the first time last year, got through to the third stage, then was turned down. I've since talked to the ATCO that showed me around NERC, and she assured me that only a miniscule percentage get through first time, so come September, I'll be starting the whole process again. Just relax, and try to keep a cool head. If you chill-out, results will come! :cool:

Did my Stage 1 yesterday, was a mixed bag. Absolutely aced the ATC test, was so pleased with it, did well on the numeracy test, then got to the cubes. Oh god. I really, really doubt I've passed it. So annoying as I know I've done well on the other three tests.

hi all

in case i get throught the first level of assessment in stage 1.... when will the second level of assessment be conducted... (spatial and diagramming) ???