Yes under the provisions of the report, however, we don't really use it as we have other protections that pretty much keep the agency at bay, but they are getting nastier by the day it seems. Our wonderful administrator seems to be bowing up even more than the past and is blaming we controllers for all of her woes. We've been trying to keep up with her in the press to ensure that the facts come out. But she is gearing up for contract negotiations so as to make us look like a bunch of greedy buggers. Might be a bit harder this time around since I bet we aren't going to be asking for much of anything in gains <G>...

regards

Scott

Nginear,

I thought you had stopped throwing muck about some weeks ago. What is it between you and this individual that you feel the need to keep slagging him off.

With regard to anonymity, this individual was "outed" quite publicly in a previous forum about slot abuse as already mentioned.

So what is it? Turn down your aplication for a job or something?

Give it a rest!

Nginear,
Can't help but agree with the previous post. Read yourself, you come over as a whinging rumour peddlar. Put up or shut up! AND that should not be on this forum.

If you have the facts and a valid complaint tell the powers that be and pack in the childish rant here. You are like a kid who did'nt get picked for the team. ILS should give this a thought too!:mad:

Serious problems here:-

Members of the UK Airprox Board not reporting incidents.

UK Aviation safety being in doubt due to this.

SAFETY doesn't look good to me if these people are in charge.

qcode,

I am sorry but you are just stirring it. There are no facts to back up these ludicrous suggestions

qcode,

What facts do you have to support your "statement / or as W aptly puts it - stirring"?

Are there any facts?

and
Why not contact the relevant authorities with them instead of wittering on this forum?


If this is a "serious problem" - get serious.

I just get the feeling that you find the slander more fun than the facts!

Maybe I'm just too sensitive a chap:yuk:

I have no evidence, and as if the thread suggests because of the non reporting of the incident , then there will not be any. My point is that in a safety concious professional environment, these things should not happen. If nobody says anything then the industry becomes unsafe due to lack of professionalism. If it is true that a member of the UK Airprox Board is not reporting incidents then they should be severely reprimanded. This is not a personal vendetta against any one individual but a statement to keep the aviation industry as safe as possible. Come on guys, if you professionals are not willing to make the industry safe then who is?

For someone who has no evidence and who has based comments questioning the professionalism of my ATC brothers and sisters, you're very lucky I don't tell you to go and get stuffed.

It is outrageous that you feel you can use comments that cast even the slightest dispersion on ANY aviation professional based on the loose premise this thread has begun with. Let alone contine to spread your totally unfounded and quite inflammatory jibes regarding what appears to be an ill informed opinion regarding ATCO's attitude to saftey in our business. I for one am insulted.

I openly challenge you to reveal what you profession is, in an attempt to glean what authority you have to base your accusations on.

And before you decide to come out with "Oh, big words from somebody hiding on an internet forum", quite a few people here do know me, and know I would say that quite happily to your face.

So if I have got this right - you have joined in stirring up sh#t based upon hearsay and little else - certainly NO fact.


"If nobody says anything then the industry becomes unsafe due to lack of professionalism".


Could it just be possible that there is nothing to report?
Could it just be possible that the "professionals" know / knew thier job?
Could it just be possible that you have joined in with pushing unsubstantiated crap?

"I have no evidence, and as if the thread suggests because of the non reporting of the incident , then there will not be any".

= cos nothing wos done it proves there is a cover-up.

Nice logic ace!:\

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean you're not all out to get me!:}

For your information, I am a 30 year old student writing a thesis on "Human Factors In Aviation" for my PHD. I have an ATPL and have 2000 hrs flying experience. I have also studied all the ATC manuals. I have studied and know more of the the Human Factor side of things than many of you. My aim is to become a consultant in Aviation Human Factors in the UK or for ICAO. If you guys and gals cannot see fundamental problems within your business then there is a severe problem. If the thread is true then there is a fundamental problem, which could lead to major accidents. It is up to you to sort it out, not me. If you cannot sort it then there is another major problem. At least I will not be the one in the dock.

Ah, you've read all the books..... I tried that once, read a book on how to play chess, seemed simple enough to me but strangely it didn't make me an expert!

If I were you I'd dip out now before the flack really starts!

You're quite obviously dodging the biggest statement you have made so far, aren't you. You mention you're writing a thesis. One would hope you're not just basing it on conjecture, hearsay and rumour.
"I have no evidence for my thesis, but I overheard this guy who was telling this other guy he heard.........." :rolleyes:

Booksmarts you say. I know more than operational controllers.......give me a break.

Actually, I have changed my mind.

Get stuffed.

Oh well that explains it all then.:yuk:
your mind is made up
you have read a book
pootled about in an aircraft
are a personal friend of Ziggy Freud
and display the ego of a true believer

We are just not worthy. All is forgiven - you are the font of all knowledge. You could make a huge difference in aviation safety - stay away from it

One hopes the PHD has a couple of facts in it or all your efforts will be to no avail, - - just like they have been on this thread really:rolleyes: :\

In my experience, the problem with most self-appointed Human Factors Experts (and we know the definition of "expert", do we not?), apart from their insufferable holier-than-thou attitude, is that they totally overlook the fact that the rest of us are members of the human race and understand the principles they are expounding perfectly well - when they are not wrapped up, that is, in a liberal coating of b*ll!!!!!.

What they are experts in most of the time, as with Sybil Fawlty, is the ability to state the bleeding obvious.

qcode, you mention you are writing your thesis on Human Factors in aviation.I would be very interested to know what have you based your discussion on,have you focused more on any one facet be it pilots, ATC, maintence, management or other?
You also mention you have studied all ATC manuals. May I ask what was the point of that?
Perhaps if and when your findings are published you could provide a copy.

No, flying a G5 around europe into major international airports, but gladly not the one discussed in this thread.

Thank you for your true professional comment. I do not hope that any of your attitude affects your new colleagues in Canada.

The whole thesis includes all the factors you mention. On completition it will be available at all University libraries. The reason for studying ATC Manuals was to understand ATC regulations and any effect they may have on human performance.

qcode,

One suspects that if you read the responses to your CV you may learn a basic fact that could become the only one that you get right in the PHD:

A publically exposed arse just rightly begs to be smacked!
:cool:

:}

My point exactly!

QCode;

If you want to learn a few things about ATC human factors, there is a group at the FAA Tech center that does that sort of thing and they study the heck out of it <G>... I happen to be one of thier studies this week <G>...

But probably one of the most knowledgeable folks is Dr. Kim Cardosi. This lady probably has more experience with controllers than most people on the face of the earth. You would do very good in looking into all that she has published and maybe having a talk with her... She is one of the few Dr's that I have seen that "gets it." from an operational perspective. She looks at it from the eye of reality and not that of purely acadamia...

reagards

Scott