GOLDFISH WATCHER: [quote] A survey of Scottish TMA departures found that on first contact;

a) 79% gave the SID
b) 89% reported passing level
c) 63% reported cleared altitude
d) 52% gave all required items
e) 4% GAVE NO INFORMATION AT ALL

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Question about e): How do they know? Presumably a callsign counts as info! <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> :)

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Ferris
I don't doubt you, I would be unhappy if it happened frequently. Its unfortunate, but sometimes it must be done. One of our routes has us basically fuel critical at engine start, if we get held down for too long, rerouted, wx, etc then we have to make a tech stop for gas. You can understand why we are always looking for our optimum profile without stepping on toes.

For the benefit of Bigarse

e) 4% Gave none of the REQUIRED information

There you go. Now try adding something worthwile to the thread.


NOTE TO PPRUNE RADAR: why can't I edit my own post??????? 'Moderators only' Im told

GF watcher,

Very interesting indeed - I must say, I fall into the category that gives no gen on departure. I have always been under the impression that I must keep it short & the ATC knows who I am, etc.

I guess I just learnt something. I would also be curious to know if this AIC would also be applicable here in South Africa.

Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Regards
4g
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GF Watcher, Ok, I'll take up your challenge and add my pet peeve of people who take things too seriously- like er, you actually! :)
Lighten up- you might live a bit longer <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
BTW, Don't you know your arse from your ears? Its 'Bigears', not 'Bigarse' <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

Oh I do love it when the fish bite so easily!
Talk about taking things too seriously Biggy?! <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

4g - glad you found it informative, I did too. I won't feel so bad about chastising pilots for not reporting their cleared level etc. from now on..... :)

Certain [non-UK] Airlines on being given T/O say "Goodbye" and don't Chuffin' change freq...and stay schtum............
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy

Pilots arriving on stand and declaring that guidance is not on.At most airports it is the companies job to switch the guidance on not atc

I,ve always done that as a courtesy,so you know

the a/c tail is infringing your taxiway.

Then call up company and tell them to get their

4$$ in gear!

I'm with moleslayer on this one, I'd like to know when the taxiways are being infringed so that I can re-route or warn other aircraft, especially at night.

And if I was asked nicely, I could always see if any marshallers are on my frequency <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

Gonzo.