We certainly ain't happy at MACC who is voting yes??? LATCC?

I heard last night the union want us to accept they say its worth about 15% over 21 months all bundled together!!!!

The problem I think is the high up members of the union are their for their own betterment not that of their members!!!

Do the rises include T&D?

MACC 29, on behalf of everyone I've spoken to at LATCC, "It's crap", so no, it wont be LATCC accepting it.

All units seem to be in agreement

When do we down tools?

I will accept a pay rise of 15% consolidated on to my salary for the due period that the claim is for.

Sadly the union is reported to be saying that the deal is worth the above amount. It is not, a single bonus is valuable, but no substitute for a percentage on the annual salary, now if all the bonus (S) was consolidated inc OJTI then........

I think T&D was a separate issue wasn't it?

More importantly I get another £1 luncheon voucher each month ;)

Bright-Ling...T & D should be just about sorted apart from the issue of backdating for the people who were on it at its inception. The money may or may not be in this month's pay packet. (I haven't been able to get a definite answer).

The annual pay deal (or 21 months this time) will when finally agreed be applied to salaries as at 1st April 2000. (ie when the T&D money is effective from).

So...you get the T&D rise & then the annual rise on top of that (eventually).

Hope that helps

Why do we bothye paying the union when it appears all they are able to do is reduce our wages, year on year. It is my experience that all unions are this effective.

Just about to climb aboard NATS compliments of the Luton transfer. I have to say the offer is very complicated, especially to someone who is not completely up to speed with all the ins and outs of it all. I've read all the topic but can someone post a precis of what the issues are?

Oh come on Monkey, how many times do I have to say this : YOU ARE THE UNION. If you're not happy, tell your rep he's there to represent you , and in my experience , that is what they do on the BEC.
If your unit is not happy then pull your finger out and ensure that the members are represnted properly. If they're not, then you need to do something positive at your unit.

250,

Couldn't have put it better myself.

The moment it comes to positive action, eg. rep-ing for the watch, the gob$hites clam up tighter than a camel's arse in a sandstorm.

Its easy to spout off on pprune, but it achieves SQUAT !

INS

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So now anyone who is not happy with the union is a gob*****? Tell me this, what have our illustrious reps achieved with regard to PPP? Zero!

All valid points above received and understood.

However problems do present themselves when the Union reps are voicing opinions which are their own, and not those of the other unit members. This at best gives misleading signals to the management, and puts us back at square one, along with giving the union a bad image in the eyes of both the organ grinders, and the monkeys.

As I said before, I have experienced similar problems with the unions in my pre ATC 'career', and no amount of quiet plaintive pleading could get the union reps to see that some change at least, is for the better, and not everyone is against it.


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If it aint broke, break it.

Just a quick question from the Military side of the house: When is your pay Ballot?

To those who think that their union does nothing, please put your name forward to represent if YOU think that you can do a better job!

NATS has a new breed of HR management who are worldly wise, therefore the union reps negotiating need your support. It is no good being a union member if you do not support those negotiating for you.

I know for a fact that ALL the unions representing staff within NATS have put a mountain of work into PPP, just ask your own MP?

Stop bad mouthing and get pro-active!!

Roger out,

NO my friend, not everyone who complains about the union is a gob$hite. Those that do it in a relatively constructive way and who understand the limitations of the unpaid reps who give up about 6 days of their free-time per year to carry out union business on your behalf, are not the people who I am referring to.

As an ex-rep I know the !!!!! that one has to put up with from time to time.

By gob$hites I meant those mutually exclusive of the above group.

Hopefully you are one of the former not the latter and maybe you personally could help to change things within the union if you feel you are not getting the service you want !

INS



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Rumour has it that the recent offer made by management will be endorsed by the ATCO union!

true rumour

FALSE!!! my understanding is that the bec are NOT recommending acceptance- they are leaving you to make up your own mind based on the facts that will be presented to you shortly.

and a word of temperance to the unhappy- if you vote against this deal you had better be prepared to walk out over it. there's no point in protest voting, we all look stupid if we vote against the "final offer" but then also vote against industrial action subsequently. think long and hard about this one, guys & girls! think what the sun & the mirror will make of people on latcc atco1 salary turning down those sorts of %s. if, however you feel that linking our pay to private-sector style performance-related bonuses is a step in the wrong direction, then........
like i said if you are NOT prepared to walk you MUST vote to accept.