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ex-EGLL 22nd Nov 2021 13:47

Heathrow - Routing off LAM
 
Looking on FR24 for the first time in ages this morning. Heathrow on Easterlies and most of the LAM traffic was leaving LAM on a SW heading and crossing over to the south side. Is this now standard, if so what would the reason be? I realise many things have changed since I was there, just interested that's all.


DaveReidUK 22nd Nov 2021 15:13

Interesting. Can you cite an example (time and/or flight number)?

There are some very odd tracks showing on Heathrow's Webtrak for early this afternoon (or might just be a glitch) - not sure if that's connected with what you're seeing.

OldLurker 22nd Nov 2021 16:40

Might they now be able to use 09R for landings and 09L for takeoffs

DaveReidUK 22nd Nov 2021 17:03


Originally Posted by OldLurker (Post 11145737)
Might they now be able to use 09R for landings and 09L for takeoffs

Not on any regular basis.

And hard to see how or why that would affect inbounds.

ex-EGLL 22nd Nov 2021 19:28

Dave, it was 1445 UTC. There was one doing a hold a BNN, and about 5 came off LAM on something like a 230 heading. All went for 09L. It just seemed like an dd thing to do, Traffic off BNN did a normal easterlies routing. CXA8711 did the normal north side route off LAM then JAL43 DLH5EL ANA211 QTR7452 (after a spin) then BAW2761 went on the North route.

3Greens 22nd Nov 2021 19:59


Originally Posted by ex-EGLL (Post 11145789)
Dave, it was 1445 UTC. There was one doing a hold a BNN, and about 5 came off LAM on something like a 230 heading. All went for 09L. It just seemed like an dd thing to do, Traffic off BNN did a normal easterlies routing. CXA8711 did the normal north side route off LAM then JAL43 DLH5EL ANA211 QTR7452 (after a spin) then BAW2761 went on the North route.

happens occasionally if there’s a lot of traffic via LAM and BNN compared to BIG and OCK. Been rerouted LAM>BIG a fair few times over the years albeit, not since COVID.

Gonzo 22nd Nov 2021 20:30

And may well have been another reason, such as airspace infringement or survey aircraft, neither of which may show up on FR24.

ex-EGLL 22nd Nov 2021 22:07

Thanks Gonzo, the thought of "Operational Requirement" was in the back of my mind. From having controlled there many years decades ago, it just looked very strange!

DaveReidUK 23rd Nov 2021 08:24

No potentially conflicting traffic visible on Webtrak.

Gonzo 23rd Nov 2021 18:58

Exactly…….

DaveReidUK 23rd Nov 2021 20:48

Meaning....?

hairstreak 24th Nov 2021 16:19

Disclaimer from Web Trak.

Flights may not be shown in WebTrak due to security and/or safety restrictions or temporary systems failures.

DaveReidUK 24th Nov 2021 18:22

Yes, WebTrak does indeed occasionally fail to show some flights (including the odd Heathrow movement), but they almost always appear within a couple of days.

Still nothing showing retrospectively for Monday afternoon that would cause embarrassment to a LAM arrival, nor anything on Mode S at a height/position that would produce a potential conflict.

I guess we'll never know the reason ...

Gonzo 25th Nov 2021 05:56

I think the OP does now.

DaveReidUK 25th Nov 2021 06:22

Spooky ...

ex-EGLL 25th Nov 2021 12:13

I wouldn't say I know, but I am 95% sure my gut feeling is correct :-) and on that note it's probably best to close the thread.



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