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tcm1707 3rd Sep 2019 22:28

ATC Jobs
 
Anyone know of anywhere hiring at the moment? ADI only here.

chevvron 3rd Sep 2019 23:30

Try Carlisle or HIAL..

Dan Dare 4th Sep 2019 06:30

I don’t know any UK tower which is fully staffed. Take your pick!

Rwy1234 4th Sep 2019 13:55

Although the ATC staff at the coal face might consider their units to be in need of staff (myself included), often is the case that the unit management consider otherwise which is probably why there are so few job adverts out there currently.

jmmoric 4th Sep 2019 14:56


Originally Posted by Rwy1234 (Post 10561695)
Although the ATC staff at the coal face might consider their units to be in need of staff (myself included), often is the case that the unit management consider otherwise which is probably why there are so few job adverts out there currently.

The question is often, is it worth it to hire more staff versus paying the current staff overtime...

Will_McKenzie 4th Sep 2019 14:59


Originally Posted by tcm1707 (Post 10561235)
Anyone know of anywhere hiring at the moment? ADI only here.

A very quick Google (other search engines are available) show Gatwick, Leeds, High Wycombe, Dubai (and DWC) and Abu Dhabi.
Liverpool are also recruiting for an ATSA which with an ADI ticket you may well get the chance to progress as I am led to believe several of their controllers were previously ATSAs.
Good luck!

mike current 4th Sep 2019 19:34


Originally Posted by Dan Dare (Post 10561425)
I don’t know any UK tower which is fully staffed. Take your pick!

Not as simple as that. Quite the opposite.

chevvron 5th Sep 2019 12:13


Originally Posted by LookingForAJob (Post 10562265)
I wish the OP well in securing a job but, as mike current says, it's not simply a case of finding a vacancy. What may be more important is the type and extent of experience you have to offer.

He said 'ADI only' but surely he must have ADV too so Wycombe or Redhill.
Wycombe are short staffed; the contract is operated by Safeskys but their website is down at the moment so he could try e-mail [email protected]

Jim59 6th Sep 2019 09:33

Look at the NOTAMs. Airfields which are closed for 2 hour periods gives a clue.

chevvron 6th Sep 2019 10:56


Originally Posted by Jim59 (Post 10563236)
Look at the NOTAMs. Airfields which are closed for 2 hour periods gives a clue.

Shouldn't that read 'open for 2 hour periods' (then closed for 30 min)?
Controllers MUST have a 30 min rest break for every 2 hours of operational duty except for some units classed as 'busy' where the operational duty period is reduced.

tcm1707 6th Sep 2019 14:07

Thanks all! There are a few places mentioned here that I hadn't noticed on my job searches. Going to have a look into a few.

dmcg 6th Sep 2019 21:11

Safeskys under Airpartner umbrella since Sep 2017. Would suggest that’s why their website is unavailable.

chevvron 7th Sep 2019 00:33


Originally Posted by dmcg (Post 10563698)
Safeskys under Airpartner umbrella since Sep 2017. Would suggest that’s why their website is unavailable.

Yes I've been in contact with them; they say they're currently 're-branding'; it was said at the time to be a merger but as far as I can see it was a takeover as in SERCO taking over IAL when they discovered how lucrative some ATC contracts (but not all) could be.
The website was still there about 3 months ago.

Packer27L 7th Sep 2019 08:25

How are they doing for numbers at Birmingham and Edinburgh now they have fallen out of the NATS fold? Another thread on here about Air Nav Solutions suggests they are struggling at Gatters...

Glamdring 19th Sep 2019 14:18


Originally Posted by Packer27L (Post 10563959)
How are they doing for numbers at Birmingham and Edinburgh now they have fallen out of the NATS fold? Another thread on here about Air Nav Solutions suggests they are struggling at Gatters...

Overstaffed at EDI. With more trainees arriving next year.

Mooncrest 20th Sep 2019 10:01

Leeds Bradford is recruiting for a new ATS Manager.

highwideandugly 20th Sep 2019 17:05

Newcastle is very interesting at the moment!

chevvron 20th Sep 2019 19:27


Originally Posted by Mooncrest (Post 10574380)
Leeds Bradford is recruiting for a new ATS Manager.

Haven't they got a controller they can promote to the post or is the manager not required to have an ATCO licence?

N90-EWR 20th Sep 2019 21:32

I sure hope things are better over there than here. The typical FAA managers are the incompetent controllers that get "promoted" away from the operation. :rolleyes:

kcockayne 21st Sep 2019 09:31


Originally Posted by N90-EWR (Post 10574822)
I sure hope things are better over there than here. The typical FAA managers are the incompetent controllers that get "promoted" away from the operation. :rolleyes:

Isn’t that the case everywhere ? I spent 38 years in ATC & the vast majority - but not all - of the managers that I came across were of “ lesser ability” when it came to actual controlling .

escaped.atco 21st Sep 2019 11:01


Originally Posted by highwideandugly (Post 10574655)
Newcastle is very interesting at the moment!

Why? Lack of staff?

LookingForAJob 21st Sep 2019 12:13


Originally Posted by kcockayne
Isn’t that the case everywhere ? I spent 38 years in ATC & the vast majority - but not all - of the managers that I came across were of “ lesser ability” when it came to actual controlling .

Very true.

But the really important question is were they any good as managers?

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 21st Sep 2019 21:25

Usually NO!

kcockayne 22nd Sep 2019 07:50


Originally Posted by LookingForAJob (Post 10575279)
Very true.

But the really important question is were they any good as managers?

In my view, some of them were good managers. These tended to be the ones who delegated a lot of their tasks; or those who involved operational ATCOs in working/project groups. I suppose that the uncharitable would claim that this was because they were not “up to the job” themselves ! The last ten years , or so, of my career did involve myself & a lot of , what I would call, “good operational ATCOS” working closely with the SATCO on important projects. Nevertheless, there were still those “on the shop floor” who found fault with the individual concerned - principally because he was not fully doing the job that he was paid for ! You just can’t win !

Mooncrest 23rd Sep 2019 06:29


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 10574738)
Haven't they got a controller they can promote to the post or is the manager not required to have an ATCO licence?

I don't know chevron. I believe LBA is still short-staffed (I seem to talk to the same voices every time I'm on duty) so there may be reluctance to divert an operational ATCO or WM from the tower to the office. The most recent ATSM was an ATCO but he was purely office only.

Jay Doubleyou 23rd Sep 2019 12:05

"In ATC, when heads roll, they roll uphill!" I think I'm quoting correctly from the long lost ATC magazine "On Watch" about fifty years ago, in turn quoting, I think, a Canadian source. You, Keith, should know how true that was, given the procession of the incompetent, the lying, the self-serving and the stupid we had to work with and for! I may not be the "Ace of the Base" but my career was blocked by a person I considered, with some justification and staff agreement, was most incompetent operational controller in history!

chevvron 23rd Sep 2019 13:10


Originally Posted by Jay Doubleyou (Post 10577202)
"In ATC, when heads roll, they roll uphill!" I think I'm quoting correctly from the long lost ATC magazine "On Watch" about fifty years ago, in turn quoting, I think, a Canadian source. You, Keith, should know how true that was, given the procession of the incompetent, the lying, the self-serving and the stupid we had to work with and for! I may not be the "Ace of the Base" but my career was blocked by a person I considered, with some justification and staff agreement, was most incompetent operational controller in history!

It was a well known saying when NATS was still part of the Civil Service (pre 1975) that you can't sack a civil servant so you promote them and post them.
My career was blocked by a person I considered, with some justification and staff agreement, was the most incompetent ATS manager in history.https://www.pprune.org/images/icons/46.gif

mike current 24th Sep 2019 17:06

Back on the subject of ATC jobs...

https://www.jobtrain.co.uk/newcastle...ik4KByh1lRR5h4


Jay Doubleyou 30th Sep 2019 12:05

Thanks for your PM last week! I thoroughly agree with what you said but didn't have much success in replying by private message, and I don't think I should say anything more on the public forum!

Red Four 19th Oct 2019 08:59

And at Southend now:
ATCO
Head of ATS

tcm1707 19th Oct 2019 10:28


Originally Posted by Red Four (Post 10598217)
And at Southend now:
ATCO
Head of ATS

Brilliant thanks!

tcm1707 19th Oct 2019 10:31

Anyone know what's going on at Newcastle? Heard they were doing interviews this week.

frilsy 21st Oct 2019 21:45

They were advertising for a tower position and it seems to be the strangest situation. An ex colleague of mine said There was no Satco or training department member at the interview, it was carried out by HR and an operations manager. So no scenarios or sim runs.....

Digby15 30th Oct 2019 11:21


Originally Posted by tcm1707 (Post 10598283)
Anyone know what's going on at Newcastle? Heard they were doing interviews this week.

No, really, what IS going on at Newcastle???
Apparently they’ve appointed a new SATCO that is a single rated controller with less than 5 years ATC experience. Obvious not bothered about knowledge and experience, if you want to climb the ladder, head up there!!!!

highwideandugly 30th Oct 2019 12:31

Not what you know..but who you know?

Rwy1234 31st Oct 2019 03:53


Originally Posted by Digby15 (Post 10606490)


No, really, what IS going on at Newcastle???
Apparently they’ve appointed a new SATCO that is a single rated controller with less than 5 years ATC experience. Obvious not bothered about knowledge and experience, if you want to climb the ladder, head up there!!!!

Someone has a grudge.

highwideandugly 31st Oct 2019 08:30

Im sure due diligence by the interview team has been done and the successful candidate has ticked all the appropriate boxes?

therocketscientist 1st Nov 2019 11:31

Leeds/Bradford are hiring, does anybody know anything about the conditions there?

highwideandugly 1st Nov 2019 12:47

Looking for a job.....Said it before but still valid - what matters is whether they can manage a unit....un quote,


However ,with less than five years experience and one rating...the candidate must have shown some amazing qualities to
impress and pass such an intense interview? Wonder if he/she can sort Brexit out for us all?

mike current 1st Nov 2019 14:06

Maybe no one out of the more experienced staff wants the job?

Besides. 5 years or thereabouts is plenty to be a SATCO.


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