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TCTC 5th Nov 2016 16:55

LHR Tower - distorted?
 
118.5 sounds over-modulated right now?

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 5th Nov 2016 17:22

And what authority do you have to listen to it?

grizzled 5th Nov 2016 20:04

My Lord...

HD, he made a simple statement / question about a possible issue with the frequency. For so many reasons your reply sounds ridiculous (and petty). Not the least of which is the idiocy of that particular law in these days.

BTW... Did you know it's illegal to carry a piece of wood along any pavement in London?

ATCO Fred 5th Nov 2016 21:30

Many. . .doh!

He might have been flying there; or listening out whilst flying in the vicinity . . .take a LARGE chill pill man :-)

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 5th Nov 2016 22:36

Incredible. The last two responses do not justify a reply.

grizzled 5th Nov 2016 22:51

Oh go ahead HD, give it a try...

Union Jack 5th Nov 2016 23:21

Curiously enough, on taxiing in on return from Miami last Monday I thought that the tower did indeed look distorted... Oh, you mean the sound!:uhoh:

Jack

jmmoric 6th Nov 2016 03:53

Miami sounds fun :)

FragRad 20th Nov 2016 08:45


Originally Posted by TCTC (Post 9568233)
118.5 sounds over-modulated right now?

I can remember a certain Heathrow controller/tower supervisor using a hand held ham radio transmitter in the tower!

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 20th Nov 2016 09:04

Blimey, that was 100 years ago!

cottam approach 2nd Dec 2016 19:53


Originally Posted by grizzled (Post 9568375)
my lord...

Hd, he made a simple statement / question about a possible issue with the frequency. For so many reasons your reply sounds ridiculous (and petty). Not the least of which is the idiocy of that particular law in these days.

Btw... Did you know it's illegal to carry a piece of wood along any pavement in london?

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

ATCO91 12th Dec 2016 11:48


Originally Posted by HEATHROW DIRECTOR (Post 9568259)
And what authority do you have to listen to it?

I love it when people question the reason someone is listening to a frequency, yet anyone can go online and see the exact postion, altitude, speed, squawk, etc etc off almost any commercial (and non commercial) aircraft online and for free. The WT act of yesteryear is very very out of date.

DaveReidUK 12th Dec 2016 14:48


Originally Posted by ATCO91 (Post 9606892)
I love it when people question the reason someone is listening to a frequency, yet anyone can go online and see the exact postion, altitude, speed, squawk, etc etc off almost any commercial (and non commercial) aircraft online and for free. The WT act of yesteryear is very very out of date.

The two aren't strictly comparable.

The "B" is ADS-B stands for Broadcast - the WT Act doesn't place any restrictions on listening to broadcast transmissions. Otherwise it would be illegal to listen to Radio One (although arguably it should be anyway :O)

Transmissions between aircraft and ATC aren't broadcasts and therefore are subject to the WTA.

That's why there are no LiveATC.net feeds from the UK, but any number of flight tracking sites.

ATCO91 12th Dec 2016 19:32

But that is my point. Why are we still constrained by the WTA when it comes to listening to / rebroadcasting ATC (unless you're the BBC and somehow get away with it), when we can identify nearly every aircraft anyway?

Gonzo 12th Dec 2016 21:34

Perhaps it's got to the stage where it's not about the identity of the aircraft, but the ATCO?

it also stops TV news 'experts' speculating based on RT.

DaveReidUK 13th Dec 2016 06:39

It might be a good time to remind all that there is in fact a sticky on the subject:

http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/206...tions-law.html

Out Of Trim 17th Dec 2016 11:46

When I was a young lad of about 13 I used to watch the Heathrow traffic from my bedroom window with binoculars and listening to ATC on my Sharp airband radio. I also sometimes took a 5p bus ride to LHR and stayed all day spotting from the Queens Building.

It was an innocent hobby and we openly listened in to ATC. We were unknowingly breaking the law apparently but nobody cared. This innocent hobby led to my Aviation career. Twelve years in the RAF as an AATC and then to work at LGW since then.

I do quite often listen in to JFK Tower / Ground transmissions on ATC Live. It can be interesting at times. Such a great shame that it is still deemed illegal in the UK. The world should be allowed to listen to our dedicated and highly professional UK controllers, as they are some of the best in the world.

The WTA is way out of date and needs to be amended. I think it should be legal to listen to, but not to act on what you hear.

The current law makes the UK seem backward and old fashioned these days!

tech log 17th Dec 2016 13:20

Bizarre and outdated legislation. Me being cleared to close the Localiser from the right isn't and shouldn't be a protected state secret.

Although I do appreciate Gonzo's points. Soon after most aviation incidents in America the news channels broadcast the ATC transcripts and often make rather silly assumptions and poor interpretations.

LEGAL TENDER 17th Dec 2016 14:30


The current law makes the UK seem backward and old fashioned these days!
That would be OK for 52% of the population then...

eastern wiseguy 18th Dec 2016 00:54

HD You really are an old curmudgeon.


And what authority do you have to listen to it?


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