NATS tower loss
is it right that edinburgh control tower is to be run by someone other than nats soon????if so any contacts and jobs avail do we reckon????
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Another loss to the Germans! Oh well! :hmm:
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have nats lost edinburgh,gatwick,birmingham?
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"To lose two tower contracts could be regarded as unfortunate, to lose three, careless..."
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And if London City makes it four?
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have natslimiited gained any??????
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Belfast City has been won. And Wattisham. They soon rack up you know. :yuk::yuk::yuk::yuk:
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Lose Gatwick and gain Wattisham. Hmmmmm not exactly a big win.
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on 2nights swingometer what would that mean financially to natslimiteed?cud Dfs take over swannick?
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Yes over last 18months or so NATS have lost the 3 above contracts, though the subtle difference is Gatwick and Edinburgh airports have same owner and have subcontracted to another provider. ANS a subsidery of Germany's DFS. Birmingham on the other hand have taken it in house creating its own subsidery within the larger airport infrastructure.
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YouSaidBolt
I suggest that you check your spelling and punctuation before applying for a job with DFS. 2 s |
2 sheds... Just what I was thinking!
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Hold on a minute with all this negativity....NATS also recently gained Netheravon and Middle Wallop
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Puts the EU Referendum result in the shade !
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Originally Posted by GAPSTER
(Post 9418773)
Hold on a minute with all this negativity....NATS also recently gained Netheravon and Middle Wallop
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nats at Netheravon? Must be the only nats AFIS unit then. nats NS & L scraping the barrel somewhat for contracts?
AFIS at Netheravon? AFIS is meant for tiddler public transport. Public Transport at Netheravon? In my day as a lift attendant there all the passengers jumped out because they hated landing in aeroplanes. The world has gone mad... |
I can't decide where this thread should be moved... I think I'm about 48.1% in favour of Spectators' Balcony, 51.9% in favour of Jet Blast...
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Isn't The Red Barron something to do with the folk that run EGPH?
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I am 99% sure that the Belfast City contract is NATS Solutions, not NATS Ltd, is there a difference?:confused:
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Only way that NATS could compete with the real world to provide AFIS is to do it either at cost or a loss leader to get the Wallop contract.
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Panny
Looking up Companies house...it seems a bit "you say potato...I say potato" I expect someone who works for them might be along to quench your thirst for knowledge. I am surprised though that your "contacts" at EGAC can't help you out? |
Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
(Post 9419976)
Only way that NATS could compete with the real world to provide AFIS is to do it either at cost or a loss leader to get the Wallop contract.
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Middle Wallop and Netheravon were acquired by Aquila - NATS (NSL?) as part of Project Marshall.
AQUILA - Air Traffic Management Services | About AQUILA |
Let's hope their technical ability is better that their web designer putting white lettering on a white cloud background.
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Lets's hope that NATS becomes a better company to work for!
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Lets's hope that NATS becomes a better company to work for! |
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that all these contract losses and consequent wins by other ANSPs are all orchestrated by NATS themselves in an elaborate plan to get shot of as many people on the DB pension plan as they can.
Give it a decade or so and we'll all be back with NATS with a nice new DC pension and reduced T&Cs ;) |
Originally Posted by Talkdownman
(Post 9419016)
nats at Netheravon? Must be the only nats AFIS unit then. nats NS & L scraping the barrel somewhat for contracts?
AFIS at Netheravon? AFIS is meant for tiddler public transport. Public Transport at Netheravon? In my day as a lift attendant there all the passengers jumped out because they hated landing in aeroplanes. The world has gone mad... Perhaps NATS losing contracts is as equally as much to do with the views of the airport management of "Some" NATS staffs arrogance with statements like that, especially when they compare the t&c to their own staff. |
Originally Posted by LEGAL TENDER
(Post 9433014)
Let's hope that with more contracts being lost, it will become easier to go to work for other employers.
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3miles,
Hate to break it to you but TDM isn't a NATS ATCO. |
Originally Posted by Gonzo
(Post 9442171)
3miles,
Hate to break it to you but TDM isn't a NATS ATCO. |
Yep.. and he was an ATCO for many more years than Gonzo!
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Errr, ok.
I was just pointing out that 3miles seemed to misunderstand TDM's language when he said 'scraping the barrel', and assumed he was 'NATS elitist', which couldn't be further from the trut in my experience. Never mind. |
Not surprised
I was at Brum when the local "expertise" bought out the contract, not nice. Know Edinburgh well, but it's Tower GM is a bit of a tool and his Engineering predecessor was an even bigger one, so no surprises the contract was lost because of the infighting ( and its serious infighting). Glasgow will most definitely follow, I'd rather hope that the shambles at HIAL will implode pretty quickly as a result.
My main beef : The people in charge of NATS and its subsidiaries, are not forward thinking in any sense of the phrase and are still entrenched in the outdated dogma of the DoT. Paul Reid and the Germans, that's does make me smile, good on you Gazza. F NATS !! |
I think NATS losing tower contracts is an interesting situation, the bosses are getting it wrong somewhere. The controllers are still doing the job they are paid to do, but for the airport owners are not happy with NATS as ATC providers.
That said, Gatwick could be a disaster yet if validations don't happen soon. The latest recruits are from Bournemouth and Oxford, I hope they do well, but it's a big ask. Are wages going to have to increase to attract ex gatwick or ex Heathrow tower validations, or Middle East expats I wonder. Watching with interest. |
The cynic in me says that there will be no problem with Gatwick validations. All will be well - because that is what is needed, so that is what will happen !
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T250, 1 Middle East expat, 1 has already failed. Sorry if the Oxford info was wrong, do you know where others are being recruited from?
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Gatwick is not an easy place to validate; we had at least 6 from Farnborough who went there and I believe only 2 managed to qualify. Certainly my personal feeling is someone from Oxford or Bournemouth would find it a bit of a struggle as the traffic is more IFR biased than the places they've come from ie very few VFR arrivals/departures at Gatwick.
For instance, in NATS days, I've been on the flight deck of a 737 landing on easterlies and at 4 miles with one lander ahead just vacating, they've still got 2 departures away before giving us landing clearance. Do they do that nowadays? |
Know Edinburgh well, but it's Tower GM is a bit of a tool and his Engineering predecessor was an even bigger one
They were/are both engineers but you have it the wrong way around! |
Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 9527579)
Gatwick is not an easy place to validate; Certainly my personal feeling is someone from Oxford or Bournemouth would find it a bit of a struggle as the traffic is more IFR biased than the places they've come from ie very few VFR arrivals/departures at Gatwick.?
I would call you out on your perhaps 'vintage' view of the task at Oxford. IFR, (whether it be PA34, G650, Global or anything up to BBJ/A319) is the staple diet these days. All single controller in radar with circa transit figures that match most LARS units. Takes a controller on the top of their game to achieve the capacity required to validate. . . . . until such time as manning allows Rad 2 !!!!
Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 9527579)
For instance, in NATS days, I've been on the flight deck of a 737 landing on easterlies and at 4 miles with one lander ahead just vacating, they've still got 2 departures away before giving us landing clearance. Do they do that nowadays?
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