Doha 2013 recruitment
 

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could be so kind as to answer a few questions I have regarding Doha ATC (I have an assessment shortly)?

I have obtained most of the common facts but can't seem to find an answer to a few niggling ones I have so here goes

1- what is the average pass rate for people trying to validate? From what I've seen it looks high up the difficulty scale so would be interested to know?

2- what will happen to staff when they have finished transitioning the two airports? Is there potential to have surplus atco resource resulting in contract termination?

3- accommodation. How far is the accom from work where they put you up and how many rooms does it have and it's furnished status

4- training accom. I believe that when training you have to pay for your own accom. Is there a standard place where everyone stays and if so what is the approx cost?

5- training standards. What is the atmosphere like between Ojtis and trainees? In my experience this is a huge factor in successful validation and is it true that it is 4 a months training cutoff? How many hours training could one expect?

6- is there a offshore fund (to compensate for no pension) and is there a golden goodbye scheme like they had in Dubai ( after five years service you get a lump sum)

Hugely grateful for any time spent replying to this!

They are advertising for instructors too. Anyone know the package detail?

Dazed&Glazed;

Ref package, applicable to both Instructors and Controllers do an archive search ... comprehensive and articulate information available.

1) Assessments are dynamic, but realistic, promulgated to guage if you are suitable to be trained on a discipline - not to embarrass or shock you and it is conducted with that in mind. Pass rates are irrelevant, but as a grab I would place it at about 85 to 90%

2) Managements decision on placement and projected surplus.

3) Again - an unknown, but generally they do try and keep you if not close, then at least closely located to a main road.

4) You need to clarify that with your recruiter or whoever you are currently in communication with...any answer on this forum is tantamount to speculation.

5) Standards are high as Doha is a rapidly bulging hub and mutual respect exists between all professionals. As a footnote - without being patronizing, how you integrate with your Instructots / future colleagues rests in its entirety with YOU ... if you are a serial Whinger and Whiner ...well what can I tell you?? There will be obstacles and times when your frustration seems like an everest ... this where your character takes centre stage. Remember this, nobody here doesnt want you here ... we all want extra staff so by default we do want you and your skill and experience...its up to you how you deliver yourself as a person and your skill as a professional.

6) Just a gratuity...but a good one. Do the archive search.

All the best for the assessment - Ciao.

Thanks for the reply much appreciated

Again thanks for the reply... But could I trouble you for a few more bits...coming from someone who has worked at doha a while your 'gut feeling' might be worth it's weight....

In regards to staffing do you think there will be a surplus of staff that might be let go once the airport transition is complete?

I have tried but can't find anything on the gratuity payments, if you could point me in the right direction that would be great!

Dazed&Glazed;

Fair-do's...second part of your question first:-

Gratuity is one months Salary for every year worked up to a maximum of 10 yrs based on your most current Salary. I deem it a good one as it is based on your full current salary, whereas most others run on a sliding scale basis...but admittedly theirs runs the course of your employment...whereas ours at the moment runs for 10 yrs only.

Whether direct hire or through a second party (currently SERCO)....based on the current staff strength and what is projected for Hamad International (New Doha International Airport)...I will be surprised to see a 'surplus' scenario evolve. However, playing devils advocate .... if such a status quo were to emerge ... there are many other projects that are also up and running ... and will need attention ... Al Khor airport for a growing GA fraternity, our Training Department etc, etc. AS you put it, my 'gut' feeling, based on my time here and knowledge of current management .. well, unless you are the architect of your own demise, if you have kept your nose clean, as-it-were and suddenly find yourself in a 'surplus' scenario...my Director has proven over the years a willingness to assist employees as far as he possibly can.

Hope this addresses your two points - ciao.

I gave it my best try for Doha but unfortunately I have been out of ATC for too long (as per Qatar's definition anyway..) so with that I exit the world of Control Towers.

Makes me sad but there is nothing that can be done.

Any truth to the rumours of opening an area centre too?

Rumour mill has it that Doha's improved package will be announced by the end of the month, anyone got any more concrete info?

They had better do something. What an absolute gong show right now....

Is it better than the package for Dubai or Abu Dhabi?

Is Doha airport busier than Dubai / Abu Dhabi?

Seriously? Given your posts on another thread I think you need to get out of your hole and do some research buddy before asking stupid questions.

:ugh:

"Busier" does not depend exclusively on traffic, at least by my book. Maybe you have had different experiences, but reality often differs from what is said on the Internet.

Hey peeps,


How is the new airport going? Anything better/more difficult?

Heard rumours there mybe a new wage and new working hours...any developments?

Ref new package. No particulars. Will happen. Date of implementation unknown. Based on pending signatures, should be this year ... hopefully.

Ref which airport is busier. Hard to really compare. Doha has 3 sectors open at peak times. Vertically sectorized. TMA (Radar) / Approach Radar / Director. We do our own sequencing and holding, with a possible 4 stacks running simultaneously. Serving 4 Runways, with SOIR at Hamad International. Transit traffic is also given a service.

As to the Acc sector - again, nothing tangible as of yet.

Dubai - consistently busier but can unload their s*it on the the UAE ACC
Abu Dhabi - getting busier and learning to unload their s*it onto the UAE ACC
Doha - getting busier, only has limited ways to unload their s*it on the UAE ACC

All units in the Middle East are getting busier and all have their moments, I just feel sorry for the Doha guys dealing with so many f***ing Qatar pilots!

[QUOTE]Then leave if it's that bad?! Or are you somehow 'stuck' there?! 😵😉 [QUOTE]

Are you trying to say, 360, that if you were unhappy in a job then you are presently in a financial position whereby you could just quit without another job to go to?

If you are in that position, I hope you are very grateful because you are in an overwhelming minority of people who are fortunate enough to be in that position.

Meanwhile, back in the real world- you know, that place with mortgages to pay, families to support, bills to pay etc- the rest of us need to maintain employment in order to ensure that money comes in with which to pay for those things.

It gets right on my t!ts when people can't come up with anything more constructive or sensible than, 'If you don't like it, leave'.

West ATC,
Just an observation about Dubai,Abu Dhabi,Doha and how busy they are.
I know for a fact that Dubai and Doha don't hire over 50s.I heard that Abu Dhabi is perhaps doing the same now.
I know that Doha don't like certain Nationalities.
So I have no sympathy at all for those places that have ageist and racist policies,then complain that they don't have enough staff.:hmm:

I can't speak for all the units, they all have their own polices but I do know age is not a factor at the UAE ACC, there are also quite a few different nationalities working there.

Unfortunately though race is an issue in this part of the world but you will find the people who are complaining about not having enough staff are the controllers on the floor, not the people who are actually doing the hiring.
It might also not be racism that is a factor in all cases, some nationalities don't have ICAO licenses which are required here and also controllers from some countries don't have the experience with traffic levels that is required.

Hear hear, but it easy to throw mud from the sidelines.

[quote=mhk77;8595651][QUOTE]Then leave if it's that bad?! Or are you somehow 'stuck' there?! 😵😉 I say that as in many cases people just see the 💰💰💰💰💰 and fail to research what life is like in the Middle East then just bitch & moan on arrival!