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Angels-One-Five 10th Jun 2010 11:41

***NATS*** ATCO Overtime?
 
Is it possible for ATCO's to do over time in addition to their salaried hours? If it is, are all validated ATCO's able to do this is is it only available once you have reached your third year and been placed on the full pay scale?

Angels-One-Five 10th Jun 2010 13:00

Thanks Yahoo!

Is that available to any Validated controller or just those on the full pay scale? Also, in your experience is over time available in abundance (i.e. do the units require ATCO's to work over time on a regular basis to function) or is it restricted/unusual?

Final question, I assume the amount of OT that any conrtoller is regulated by the CAA/ICAO along with working hours etc etc.

Cheers

timelapse 10th Jun 2010 14:57

And you can only do 21 per year, plus it has to all fit inside SRATCOH.

GuruCube 21st Jun 2010 04:23

Just to clarify;

The guys above are correct, however they are referring to 'additional attendances', i.e. working a full shift on a day off. NATS ATCOs can also work standard overtime hours before or after a normal shift, but this is fairly rare in comparison because of the way staffing is covered at most units.

All of the above are subject to the UK CAA SRATCOH regulations.

Stupendous Man 21st Jun 2010 13:01

Gurucube: There is no "standard overtime" in addition to AAVAs - only AAVAs (part or whole or SOAL).
You cannot do any extra operational hours before or after a shift - that would break scratcoh. You can come in / stay for meetings before / after shifts and be awarded TOIL.

Hooligan Bill 21st Jun 2010 13:42


Gurucube: There is no "standard overtime" in addition to AAVAs - only AAVAs (part or whole or SOAL).
You cannot do any extra operational hours before or after a shift - that would break scratcoh. You can come in / stay for meetings before / after shifts and be awarded TOIL.
ATCO Additional Voluntary Attendance, Selling of Annual
Leave and Time Off in Lieu Agreement

2.12 Overtime will only be used for extension of shifts or for part-timers (see paragraph 1.3) and not as a substitute for additional attendances.

veloo maniam 21st Jun 2010 14:07

ATC Overtime
 
Yahoo...can you kindly explain band 5 and band 1 centres.
Thanks for the reply.:ok:

Stupendous Man 21st Jun 2010 15:15

@HooliganBill - I stand corrected. I was under the impression that you couldn't extend your shift due to scratcoh.

Someone_Else 21st Jun 2010 16:19

@veloo

If you referring to the terming "band 5/band 4" it is to do with the way the salary progression is constructed. There are 5 bandings working from 1 to 5 (that is to say in order to earn the maximum salary in the UK you would have to work at a Band 5 unit).

Yahoo has given some examples of the different units.

veloo maniam 22nd Jun 2010 06:41

ATC Overtime
 
Hi Someone_else and Yahoo, thanks for the reply.
:ok:

Angels-One-Five 3rd Jan 2011 20:15

Stansted
 
Hi Yahoo,

Did you highlight Stansted as a unit which doesn't have much overtime available? Is this because its a quiet airport or because they operate with a full compliment of atcos? or something else?

Charlie23 4th Jan 2011 12:52

why?
 
You seem to be following a trail for info - good questions - what are you researching/writing matey ;)!!!!

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 4th Jan 2011 17:44

Good God - you'll be earning telephone numbers anyway!!

whitelighter 4th Jan 2011 18:27

Eventually yes, telephone numbers.

But until you hit 3 years service the salary is (understandably) significantly below the full atco rate so overtime would be a suitable way of bridging the gap

Nimmer 4th Jan 2011 18:59

Just validate first matey boy, its a long road ahead!!!!!

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 4th Jan 2011 19:05

Dead right Nimmer... I can't comprehend anyone coming into ATC with overtime at the forefront of their mind because there is absolutely no guarantee that it may be available. He might get overtime, he might not. It depends wholly on the staffing levels.

chevvron 4th Jan 2011 19:26

whitelighter: I don't know what stage of your training you are at, but you can't just decide where you're going to be posted if and when you pass the course; there might not be vacancies, you won't even be considered for AAVA's until you validate (12 months?) and even then you'll be in a queue behind all the more senior staff there.

novation 4th Jan 2011 20:19

CHEVVRON - I'd think there'd be outrage if the fair distribution of aava's was based on who's more senior, don't see what you're getting at?

chevvron 4th Jan 2011 21:01

Do they roster you for AAVAs then?

Talkdownman 4th Jan 2011 21:09

From my experience allocation of an AAVA was down to 'being in the right place at the right time'. HR at Drayton claimed they kept a record to go some way to ensure some fairness...


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